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Hey guys if you are planning on participating in the track day at the convention. Get registered and get your money in. The track day is filling up quickly and you don't want to miss out. You wouldn't want to be stuck on a waiting list if you register to late. I've been there and done that.
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"Fast cars don't make fast drivers" First and Only NASA National SE-R CUP Champion www.Kakashiracing.com CRAZYJOE@Kakashiracing.com
Just how strict are the organizers regarding scrutineering? The document insists upon no cracked windshields but mine is indeed cracked, from a rock strike many years ago. Smack dab bottom center, runnin' pretty much straight up the middle almost halfway to the roof. I've run a bunch of other events like that, will these guys black ball me?
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Bruce in Houston
1994 Nissan Sentra SE-R (original owner) w/ $tuff, converting to ITA (even more $tuff)
1996 Dodge Viper RT/10 (RIP, Dad)
1998 Suzuki Bandit 1200S w/ $tuff, W.W.B.O.C. #101 (wanna buy?)
2002 Dodge Dakota tow beast, stock!
2007 Mazda MX-5 Touring w/ $tuff
2011 Infiniti G37S RIP swwwinger
I looked at the track info, and it has only the 1 mile portion high lighted. After last years nearly 3 mile track, please tell me that we'd really be running on the full course.
It's my birthday that week and my wife is pushing me to go, and I'd love to try out my new suspension... and hopefully some new sticky tires. But, living in Florida, and after last years 1100 mile trek(one way... with no cruise control), I can't see driving another 1100 miles for a 1 mile track. Not slamming, just stating.
I probably missed the information. If so, sorry bout that.
Peace,
Mark
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yes it is the south course. It is actually a little more than a mile. It is a fun track you get to use the 18 degree banked nascar turn 1 and the infield is very technical.
I looked at the track info, and it has only the 1 mile portion high lighted. After last years nearly 3 mile track, please tell me that we'd really be running on the full course.
It's my birthday that week and my wife is pushing me to go, and I'd love to try out my new suspension... and hopefully some new sticky tires. But, living in Florida, and after last years 1100 mile trek(one way... with no cruise control), I can't see driving another 1100 miles for a 1 mile track. Not slamming, just stating.
I probably missed the information. If so, sorry bout that.
Peace,
Mark
Lucky for you, that weekend is my fiancee's birthday and she was not really excited for me to go.. and we are planning our wedding, and because money goes to that first, i dont think i'm going to be able to make it But happy birthday when that time comes vladha
I looked at the track info, and it has only the 1 mile portion high lighted. After last years nearly 3 mile track, please tell me that we'd really be running on the full course.
It's my birthday that week and my wife is pushing me to go, and I'd love to try out my new suspension... and hopefully some new sticky tires. But, living in Florida, and after last years 1100 mile trek(one way... with no cruise control), I can't see driving another 1100 miles for a 1 mile track. Not slamming, just stating.
I probably missed the information. If so, sorry bout that.
Peace,
Mark
Not to be an ass but if you're concerned with the length of a circuit around the track, you should probably stay home. Anyone who has spent any amount of time on a track will tell you that the length has NOTHING to do with it. Yes, longer tracks CAN be fun but shorter tracks can be just as much fun. If I had to chose between Limerock (~1 mile) and Watkins Glen (~3-3.5) it'd be very close!
I have driven Pocono South a few times and it has plenty for everyone. It will challenge EVERYONE.
(FYI, the Long Course at Pocono is more fun though )
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Not to be an ass but if you're concerned with the length of a circuit around the track, you should probably stay home. Anyone who has spent any amount of time on a track will tell you that the length has NOTHING to do with it. Yes, longer tracks CAN be fun but shorter tracks can be just as much fun. If I had to chose between Limerock (~1 mile) and Watkins Glen (~3-3.5) it'd be very close!
I have driven Pocono South a few times and it has plenty for everyone. It will challenge EVERYONE.
(FYI, the Long Course at Pocono is more fun though )
Well, just so you don't "ass-ume" too much, Kiernan, I'm more worried about the traffic on a smaller course. Lots of beginners and lots of non-beginners, some of whom forget that their are beginners on the track. And before you mention that the two shouldn't or don't mix... it still happens.
I'm sure the course is plenty technical and fun. And, if I only lived a few hours away, it'd be a no-brainer. But, 1000+ miles there, and being a beginner with only one Convention track under my belt, I'd like a bigger track. Lots more room to correct a mistake, lots less traffic.
Maybe it'd be different if I could bring the family this year. But, school isn't over until 2 weeks after this event and I'm tired of going to Conventions without my family. It's too bad, had it been a couple of weeks later, we'd of made it a 2 week adventure/vacation... Hershey, PA is top on the list for my wife and daughter.
Not to be an ass, but I'm done.
Peace,
Mark
P.S. Blame Bruce for my long track addiction. Why is it that the guys with "little" ones get so defensive against the guys with "big" ones?
Well, just so you don't "ass-ume" too much, Kieran, I'm more worried about the traffic on a smaller course. Lots of beginners and lots of non-beginners, some of whom forget that there are beginners on the track. And before you mention that the two shouldn't or don't mix... it still happens.
This has NOTHING to do with the size of the track. This situation could and probably would happen if you put 5 "similar level experience" drivers on a 17 mile road course eventually. There is no way for any club to group everyone into EXACT experience levels. I wouldn't say that there is a track out there that you'd find comfortable at if you're worried about being out on the track with more experience drivers. It is for this EXACT reason that the conventions are good. You are, for the most part, out there with similar cars (with the exception of turbos and now VVLs) so there really isn't a whole lot of difference in the cars (NA at least) Usually the groups are set up so that we have two sets of beginners; one for the VERY GREEN drivers and one for drivers who've done 3 or 4 events. If there is still too much difference in the levels of experience out there and someone is uncomfortable, it is up to the driver who is uncomfortable to speak up and say something to someone in charge. (for example, myself and a certain friend with a rental Z28 were black-flagged a few times in Phoenix for driving the rentals a little too aggressively)
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I'm sure the course is plenty technical and fun. And, if I only lived a few hours away, it'd be a no-brainer. But, 1000+ miles there, and being a beginner with only one Convention track under my belt, I'd like a bigger track. Lots more room to correct a mistake, lots less traffic.
Also lots more room to go faster with lots less time to fix your mistake. You're assuming now that a larger track will have no HUGE straightaways and that there will be tons of runoff. Pocono Double Infield, for example, has two long straightaways that I was hitting close to 125 in an NA car. One of the exits off the infield was probably a 50-60 MPH nearly 180 degree turn where your runoff area was the grandstand on the other side of a Jersey barrier. In comparrison, the fastest a 150WHP NA car will probably get on the South Course is 110 or so but your runoff area is straight ahead at the end of that turn and it's probably 1.5 miles long. The turn off the infield onto the banking that Joe's talking about is around 70-80 if I remember but it's a very shallow "turn" back onto the banking.
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Maybe it'd be different if I could bring the family this year. But, school isn't over until 2 weeks after this event and I'm tired of going to Conventions without my family. It's too bad, had it been a couple of weeks later, we'd of made it a 2 week adventure/vacation... Hershey, PA is top on the list for my wife and daughter.
Sorry we couldn't help you there. Usually the convention is held earlier in the spring or later in the fall so that we're not in the "hot season" for both the car's sake and the attendee's sake. Take the daughters out of school for 2 or 3 days though
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P.S. Blame Bruce for my long track addiction. Why is it that the guys with "little" ones get so defensive against the guys with "big" ones?
Bruce is guilty of driving too hard on "beginner" drivers as well. Ask him about the time he was behind me and made my car overheat at Birmingham
As a point of comparisson, for the 2001 convention, we were concerned that the 1.1 mile track would not be big enough. We had 25 cars in each group and there were no problems.
I have to admit I was disapointed at the size of the track, after last year. I'm still going either way. I didn't drive on the track in '00 or '01, but I still went. I'm starting to get excited about this year, because it looks like a good number of people are showing up. I think the convention is more than just the track event. I see it as a time to see friends, and meet new ones. Before last year, I didn't really know Matt Oslund, but after spending a day under his car, he's a relly great guy. I also got to meet others I had talked to on here and the mailing list. Mark, I can understand about family stuff getting in the way of coming up, but I wouldn't let the size of the track be the reason. TGPR in '03 was 1.1 miles, but we still had fun.
Just out of curiosity, how many cars are we expecting in each run group (assume totally full)? I was on-track in B'ham and Texas (05), and I don't think we had anywhere near 25 cars per session.
I thought I read we are sharing the day w/ another group, so I was wondering how many slots SERCA was alotted.
Mark: try to make it if you can, but if not I understand. My wife has no desire to attend, so she is staying home w/ our daughter.
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But happy birthday when that time comes vladha 
