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i know there is a search button, but i still haven't found the answer i was looking for, if some can help me out, or provide me a link to which shock works well with ground controls, i was condering just getting the ones from auto zone since they are life time warrenty.... Suspension has been the most difficult project i ever had to do with this car and its starting to really work my nerves, i had tiens h tects with kyb gr2 at first and it was the most bumpest ride in the world. now i have the b13 eibaichs sportlines in the front which rides a lil better but its still rides ruff, any suggestions anyone
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dont take this the wrong way.......but are you serious?
the fact the the shocks have a life time warrenty has nothing to do with the ride quality.
the reason your ride sucks with the sportlines and teins is because your are useing a stock shock. what happens when shocks blow? they dont do their job and things get bouncy and annoying right? same thing happens when you put stock good shocks on a higher spring rate. (btw, gr2's are stock valved) you need KYB AGX's for the adjustable valving so you can stiffen them up enought to cope with the rates.
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okay, this is my first time with the set up so i apologize if the question sounds stupid, but this is a good place to learn good ideas, we all know it not too many places to go to for good info such as this site, i will look into the hypercos and kyb agx set up, are there any places still saling hypercos?????
i am about to finish my GC install on some brand new AGX's, custom rates you can get for GC's so you can customize the ride. I'll let ya know how they work out. plus i got some ME rear mounts too
anyone remember/know the rates for the hyperco's for b13/b14?
They are all sold to individuals now. I have seen a few in the classified section, but those are priced pretty high. I don't think they have sold yet, so if you've got some cash laying around suck it up and get them while you can. Apparently they are the sh*t.
I have a set brand new in the box in my garage, but you can't have them.
awwwww ....lolol...... okay i will search around FarmBoss, let me know how the gc's turned out....
i mean, as far as I know a spring is a spring. It has a rate, so correct me if I am wrong, but
A Hyperco spring at xxx rate should do the EXACT same thing as an Eibach spring at xxx rate. They should feel identical if they are the same exact rates. My point is this:
You can buy GroundControl Coilovers for about the same price, almost IDENTICAL spring rates, AND be able to adjust them.
Anyone who would say "i had hyperco's and GC's at the same exact spring rates and the GC's sucked" in my opinion, doesn't know what they are talking about.
Obviously, anyone who "hates/dislikes" GC's either
1. Did not install them correctly
2. Ordered the WRONG spring rates for what they expected
3. OR they broke, but remember Ground Control offers a lifetime warranty on ALL PARTS of their coilovers.
It is sooo simple, they come in CUSTOM RATES in increments of 25 pounds, how can you screw that up if they let you CHOOSE your own ride comfort
the reason why lowering springs suck is because you CANNOT adjust the ride heighth, and you cannot order custom rates.
I just don't see how you can say that a product sucks, if it can be set anyway you want, or even be set to MATCH exactly what another spring does. I for one will be basically installing my GC's, and matching the lowering specs of the Hyperco's, in essence, making my own "hyperco-like" setup, that HAS ADJUSTABILITY in ride height.
how can one 300LB spring be any better than another 300LB spring of another brand?? They are the SAME spring-rate
WOAH good point farmboss! anyone know the spring rates of the hypercos? pleaseeee.
See what I am saying?
I am not an engineer, but again, correct me if I am wrong, but a
300LB spring of ANY brand will do the same exact thing (and feel exactly the same) as another 300LB spring of a DIFFERENT brand.
This is just as far as ride-comfort is concerned. Obviously there could be a 300LB spring that lowers 3" and because of this drives like sh*t. I am merely trying to see if there is ANY difference at all between 2 springs of the same rate, as far as how they ride.
Ultimately, if I am correct, this would mean that for about the same price, anyone could order GC Coilovers with identical rates, lower them to the EXACT SAME lowering that hyperco's would. AND GET THE EXACT SAME HANDLING AND RIDE COMFORT (with the option of adjusting the height if desired) as the Hyperco's, without actually having to buy them
yes, what this means is that people who know how to install coilovers could match hyperco's rideability EXACTLY, and they would be actually ABLE to buy this setup This is based on the fact that currently, there is not a single store that you can go to and buy Hyperco's, and since everyone idolizes them, why not use them as the benchmark?
Hypercos Gen2 are approximately: Linear rate, 290 lb/inch front, 200 lb/inch rear. Drop from stock is approximately 1 inch front, a bit less on the rear
So there ya go, get some GC's with 300LB Front and 200LB rears, drop them about 1.25" in the front and about 1" in the rear and you have your very own custom ride-height hyperco's
again, I am NOT an engineer and I know very little about springs, so if you can explain how two springs of the same rate are different, then CHIME IN, otherwise, I hope I just saved alot of people from pining over hyperco's that they can't even buy if they wanted to.
doesnt the drop have anything to do with how well springs will work? the hypercos are 1" in the front and 5/8" in the back because the cars dont have good suspension travel right and would bottom out if lowered anymore?
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doesnt the drop have anything to do with how well springs will work? the hypercos are 1" in the front and 5/8" in the back because the cars dont have good suspension travel right and would bottom out if lowered anymore?
yes, with lowering springs that have a set drop and set spring-rate. these springs basically lower the car too much and cause knocking, poor handling, or bottoming out.
The hyperco's happen to have the ideal drop and spring-rate that will not cause any issues. Since hyperco used their brains, they realized that no-one here wanted an "INSANE DROP" by sacrificing handling. People wanted a drop, but they wanted Handling just as much.
basically the lower the springs make the car go, the closer it is to the ground (Less travel for the suspension) and it puts more stress on the struts (harsher ride).
get some GC coilovers, and YOU decide the drop AND spring rate,
again, if YOU choose, the only fault is on YOUR judgement
ok, i found it from here http://sr20forum.com/showpost.php?p=1311598&postcount=7 (recent thread too)
So there ya go, get some GC's with 300LB Front and 200LB rears, drop them about 1.25" in the front and about 1" in the rear and you have your very own custom ride-height hyperco's
again, I am NOT an engineer and I know very little about springs, so if you can explain how two springs of the same rate are different, then CHIME IN, otherwise, I hope I just saved alot of people from pining over hyperco's that they can't even buy if they wanted to.
Just FYI FarmBoss, I think those are the spring rates for B13 hyperco's (Gen I and Gen II were both B13). The B14 rates should be posted somewhere though.
i haven't been keeping up with my homework on the b14 for a little over a year and a half, but from what i remember...
get shortened koni's or b13 front gc's and most of your problems with lowering are solved. i always heard great things about gc's. everyone and the girlfriends car had them.
then hyperco came and now gc's are all of a sudden in the same category as eibach sportlines / ebay produced springs.
Just FYI FarmBoss, I think those are the spring rates for B13 hyperco's (Gen I and Gen II were both B13). The B14 rates should be posted somewhere though.
yup you are right
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I asked Rick to check this with Hyperco and here's the answer.
The B14 springs are a slightly stiffer rate and have slightly more about a 65 lb difference in design load. The difference in rate is low enough as to probably not matter. What you will notice is a difference in ride height. If B14 springs go onto a B13, the car would sit about 3/16" higher. Conversely, putting B13 springs on a B14 would drop the front ride height about 3/16".
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so i guess just add 65 which would put them at exactly 355 front if the b13 is 290 as hpro stated. so with 355 GC's with Eibachs can come within a mere 5 pound difference in the exact spring rates.
I have this weird feeling that Chriscar is going to step in soon and lay the smackdown about how Hyperco's are still better, but i still think a one spring at a rate should act the exact same way as a spring at another rate.
as far as I know, I don't think adjusting the height of the springs with the GC's changes the initial rate, but i could be wrong
i have GC's right now, i just wanted to get some opioions before putting them on, so many people is so into hypercoils, that i was wondering such i order those, but i will see what the GC's fell like first since i already have them, mad props to FarmBoss, u seem like you know your sh*t about suspension, trust me, i have never had a harder proctect than trying to master the right suspension for my b14, but i will say this, i'm definitly taking the GR2's off, these shocks are horrible..it looks like AGX's are the way to go.... at first i was bent on lowering the car, now i just want to have it ride a little better than it do now.....
i have GC's right now, i just wanted to get some opioions before putting them on, so many people is so into hypercoils, that i was wondering such i order those, but i will see what the GC's fell like first since i already have them, mad props to FarmBoss, u seem like you know your sh*t about suspension, trust me, i have never had a harder proctect than trying to master the right suspension for my b14, but i will say this, i'm definitly taking the GR2's off, these shocks are horrible..it looks like AGX's are the way to go.... at first i was bent on lowering the car, now i just want to have it ride a little better than it do now.....
I feel and felt the same way, and we went with the exact same setup, AGX's and GC's. I will be putting my rears on today, and I will be using the motivational engineering rear-upper mounts, which are basically the best mounts ever.
Since I won't be lowering it much it won't kill the AGX's, I still need to order new front collars though
FYI: There is a GOOD write-up on complete instructions for doing the GC install on AGX's the correct way, I will PM/post the link when I get home to access my bookmarks
