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Originally Posted by Benito Malito
Wow Shawn you've been hard at work on this thread. I just wanted to chime in.
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Originally Posted by Benito Malito
I've had Hyperco 2s and GC before. I currently have RM 1s on my SE-R (RM 2 sit 0.25" higher). I always have had AGXs.
Most likely I am going to convert back to Hyperco 2 in few weeks. I like the initial softness of the progressive rate. Hyperco behaves more like the stock SE-R which is super-fun. I also need the car to be a bit higher off the ground with the custom downpipe coming and the street scraper I have on there now.
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Aha....another educated gentlemen that prefers the Hyperco's, and stated the reasons why.
I am thinking, that for
me, the ultimate set-up will be my existing suspension as is, deleting (selling) the AGX's and upgrading to the CSK's. That is about as far as I will ever take it. Your comments go along with my goals. A
very comfy ride, combined with much, much better performance than stock.
Would it satisfy veilside? Mike Kojima? 98sr20ve (Steve)? Maybe not, not "precise" enough, it is a "compromise inherent" spring/strut set-up. But for Mr. Joe Average enthusiast driver (me), zipping and commuting around Houston, it should be
superb, and more than I will ever be able to really push on public roads anyways.
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Originally Posted by Benito Malito
Road magnet is a very good spring and I was very happy to run them the last year and a half.
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I have no doubts about that whatsoever.
Please have veilside give your vehicle a ride before you swap out the RM's. I'd love to hear his feedback on the other SR20 Forum Exclusive
linear rate springs.
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Originally Posted by veilside180sx
Financially I think it's within $100 for the RM/Hyperco vs. GC setup. So I think that's a negligible difference imo. (plus the additonal work to weld perches onto the housings)
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To nitpick a bit, the price has to be an extra hundred for the Hyperco's over the RM's. Just looking at the spring price itself. Plus the additional work, there is a price on that for us non-welding types. Or, for the completely mechanically inept (yours truley), paying someone to build the CSK's. Easy or not, I'd be waaaay more comfortable having Mr. Steve build me a set, perches in place, ready to bolt-on.
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Originally Posted by veilside180sx
The Hyperco's are softer over broken pavement/railroad tracks and things like that
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I'd probably sacrifice a bit of "mushiness or dead-accurate turn-in" for the extra comfort. My chances of road racing? Slim and none. Autocrossing? Not much better chances. Daily driver for me. And quite frankly, the AGX/Hyperco set-up (will all the trimmings) already impresses the crap out my relatively ignorant self.
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Originally Posted by veilside180sx
but the GC even with the 440/400 are never harsh. After coming back from out drives, the other person commented that if he hadn't known they were 400+ lb springs he would've assumed they were 300.
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I do not doubt that whatsover.
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Originally Posted by veilside180sx
As far as which avenues would benefit most from the change...road race, autox, and street in that order. I think anyone could easily feel the difference between them, yes Shawn...that includes you Mr. Brittle Bones.  |
I fall into the last category only, street. As do many of our "less serious" enthusiasts on this site. Not to say there are not plenty of you guys that do in fact autocross or road race. But lots of us other folks, that are indeed enthusiasts, just want a solid, no bulls*t suspension. I just a bit more interested in ultimate comfort, a
high quality street suspension. Gaining that last nth degree of precision, might be a bit overboard for my performance expectations.
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Originally Posted by veilside180sx
I feel that a progressive spring is a little more vague by nature, and prefer linear springs for everything. (at least that I've come acrossed so far)
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Ya' picky bastard!
Very experienced, very suspension educated, and very selective about your preferences.
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Originally Posted by veilside180sx
I have yet to drive a set of Road Magnet's but will have to drive Ben's (Benito Malito) car before he swaps them back out for the Hyperco.
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Please do so, I would
love to hear your expert assessment of the RM's vs. Hypercos.
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Originally Posted by veilside180sx
Hyperco/Road Magnets are still going to be the best springs for the money when it comes to a stock based strut that retains the factory perch. If you are going to go that route, then you are short changing yourself anyway.
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That
bolded statement is what I was trying to pin you down on. I don't want folks thinking that the RM's or Hyperco's are less than excellent, properly designed, well engineered, conventional springs for our cars.
Are they an "ideal set-up" for you guys with higher budgets, road racing in mind, or that are uber-picky? Nope. But they damn sure are a
dead solid choice for a more budget oriented, daily driver, autocross kind of enthusiast.
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I was totally joking. Good to see you guys can balance a sense of humor with tact, it's a rare combo.
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I was sooooo hoping you were in fact joking.
And as for balancing a sense of humor with tact, I am not very proficient at either of those personality traits. I am usually uncouth, abrupt, impatient, arguementative, uncivilized, rude, ornery, rather barbaric and lacking in most social graces. Futher, when folks respond negatively to my sometimes blistering posts (not that I blame them), I usually
escalate the matter.
However, I will
gladly accept your compliment that I managed to pull off both tact and humor in my post addressing your questions. I am making progress, and perhaps there is hope for me yet.
