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Originally Posted by Scca_Ev
While I appreciate your suggestion on Koni's, as you are in line with what many others have said (ShawnB for example), and just as many found in actual use
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Keep in mind, I am a
student of our suspensions. Very well read, and perhaps book knowledgable. I have repeatedly denied any true expertise on pretty much anything mechanical related to our vehicles.
However, my opinions and recommendations are based on those of folks with true expertise. The CSK's are much touted and praised by folks like Mike Kojima (Choaderboy2), veilside180sx and Steve (98sr20ve), along with a slew of very, very, knowledgable no-bulls*t suspension experts.
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Originally Posted by Scca_Ev
your delivery is quite brash. You remind me of many camera sales people. Unless the body costs $1500, and the lens costs $800+ dollars, it's not worth buying. Your elitist bias and need to belittle those who don't choose your brand of shock adds nothing to this discussion. Many will ignore your suggestion simply based on your presentation. Just think about people you know who insist their way is better, and nothing else is even worth consideration. Bet you know someone like that, and I am confident I know your opinion of them.
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I did not read Wes's opinion in that manner. The drawbacks of discussions on forums is the inability to read body language, inflection, and tone of voice. Sometimes folks mis-read others intents.
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Originally Posted by Scca_Ev
Koni's may be the best set up, but I will say again, installing the Megan's and using the $1600 savings on track time (8 events by my count) will do more to improve my driving than any modification I could make, including your preferred set up.
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I think you are overstating the expense involved in a set of CSK's with the GC sleeves, or CSK's with RM's or Hyperco's. Not that it would not be more expensive than the Megans, just not $1,600 more expensive.
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Originally Posted by Scca_Ev
My guess is, these coil overs will get me through the next year and I will be faster than "better prepared" cars when I go W2W, because I spent my money where it counts, on track time. Why do you think in the picture above I am in front of 2 BMW's, a Golf GTI and a Corvette? It's not because my car has more power, bigger tires or better brakes. It's because I have more track time than them, and drive better.
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The pilot is the most important factor in any vehicle.
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Originally Posted by derosa4
Very well said....nice to read an eloquent post once in a while.
I too am weary of the Suspension Snobs smoting down anybody not wearing Konis.
Its quite tiresome. Koni Koni Koni.....
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Agreed on the eloquence of SCCA_ev. Bill has a way with words.
However, while I preach the Koni's (based on the
experts quoted in the Suspension Thread) I am no snob about it whatsoever.
I own AGX, Hyperco, Koni bumps, Progress RSB, OEM FSB, Cusco FSTB, AT RSTB, Superpro caster bushings, OEM dustboots, B14 wheels and ES100 tires. Nothing too fancy, but well thought out, a significant improvement over stock, and more suspension that I will ever need for a daily driver.
I am also under no illusions that swapping out to CSK's would in fact provide an extra inch of travel (back to OEM), and what is reported by every knowledgable person as a very noticable improvement over the AGX's in terms of smoothness.
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Originally Posted by derosa4
A one off design, limited production set-up (Shocktec, the Bilstein based coilover, comes to mind as just ONE example) will probably smoke any of the best Koni set-ups described on these pages
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No it will not. The Shocktek system (no longer available) was a Shortened Strut housing, loaded with Bilstien or Koni guts (depending on which magazine article you read). Shocktek also used a "threaded collar coilover" with Eibach race series springs. I firmly believe that "threaded collar coilover" was in fact a GC threaded collar.
IE...The Shocktek system is pretty much the
exact same thing as a CSK/GC sleeve set-up.
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Originally Posted by derosa4
Whatever you do, remember this is supposed to fun, or at least a great experience...don't spend yourself out of that mindset. Buy the best you can afford and run the hell out of it.
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Agreed. That is exactly what I did. Bought the very best I could (barely) afford, light-years better than stock, and drive the piss out of it. Is it perfect? Nope. Would it be reportedly (by true experts) better with CSK's? Absolutley. Is the extra money to upgrade to CSK's from the AGX's worth it to me, the humble DD vehicle that never sees any track-time whatsoever? Maybe, maybe not.
I LOVE my basic but very workable suspension set-up as it is. However if/when the AGX's die, or I run into a more solvent financial situation, the CSK's will replace the AGX's.
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For instance, I run with the AGX/RM setup, and I didn't need numbers to tell me that they were going to be awesome. Couple it with the Cusco FSTB and I absolutely love the cornering ability, as well as the ride comfort.
Is it the best? Obviously not. Does it work for me, and what I want the car to be able to do? HELL yes.  |
Ditto. And our only differences are rather minor.
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Originally Posted by Scca_Ev
Sorry for being so rough, but I am just a little miffed about the bias towards Koni setups.
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Keep in mind where that bias comes from, folks with serious, no-bullsh*t, true expertise. Veilside180sx, Choaderboy2, and 98sr20ve. Three of the most knowledgable suspension guru's on our forum.
Also, every single serious suspension for our vehicles is in fact based on a shortened strut. Including the previously mentioned Shocktek's. Shigspeed, Bits and Peices, Progress, etc...ALL use a shortened strut. Travel being the issue, something we have in very short supply.
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Originally Posted by Scca_Ev
It's funny that there are comments like "No company on earth develops (produces in-house) 1,000 "new" products in five (5) years"
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Dead nuts accurate and I stand by that statement. Not a condemnation, but Megan is NOT building their coilovers in-house, from R&D, to machining all the parts, to assembling the product. No way, no how.
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Originally Posted by Scca_Ev
when the Koni set up is a cobbled together setup that was never "developed" for our cars. Granted, it appears to be a good system, but it was not, and I repeat not custom created for a Nissan.
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You say "cobbled together", I say engineered from pre-existing GC sleeves, Eibach race springs, and the requisite shortened strut body. There was plenty of testing, real world on the race track, of this set-up by folks like Steve and Mike K.
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Originally Posted by Scca_Ev
I am still guessing these Megans aren't bad for the money. I may be proven wrong, and if so will fess up..
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I would agree with your assessment.
This thread was not designed as a "CSK vs. Megan" thread. It's intention is to get real-world feedback from reasonably knowledgeable folks that are putting the product through it's paces. Folks like you.
Enough feedback to provide some insight into the product, to help other folks make informed decisions with reasonable expectations about what to expect when buying the product.
And...my schedule is finally letting up. The last several months have been overtly
interesting* for me in my personal life, and a Suspension Thread Update is overdue.
*"May you be cursed to live in interesting times." Author Unknown.
I'd rather have an intelligent
discussion thread to reference concerning the Megan addition, as opposed to no information other than the existence of the product itself.
