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Old 03-23-2008, 05:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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my first all motor setup!

hey im building my first all motor setup just wondering what u guys think?

11.0 cp wiseco pistons
scat connecting rod
acl race bearings
apr head studs
cometic head gasket
bc stage 2 cams
bc springs and retianers
75-100 shot of the good stuff
aem wideband and apexi s-afc for tuning
2.5 exshuast and header
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Old 03-23-2008, 11:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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sounds good, trash those head studs and use OEM bolts.
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Old 03-23-2008, 11:52 PM   #3 (permalink)
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really i heard some good and bad whats the bad about them??
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Old 03-23-2008, 11:57 PM   #4 (permalink)
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really i heard some good and bad whats the bad about them??
they do not completely bottom out in the block and have a tendency to stretch. the OEM bolts are much better than ARP head studs, and for an NA setup the OEM bolts will have no issues what so ever.
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Old 03-24-2008, 07:52 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Old 03-24-2008, 08:39 AM   #6 (permalink)
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they do not completely bottom out in the block and have a tendency to stretch. the OEM bolts are much better than ARP head studs, and for an NA setup the OEM bolts will have no issues what so ever.
^Are you basing this on just N/A builds?
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Old 03-24-2008, 02:39 PM   #7 (permalink)
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^Are you basing this on just N/A builds?
no. the current design of arp studs is not good and are less effective than oem bolts.
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Old 03-24-2008, 03:15 PM   #8 (permalink)
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no. the current design of arp studs is not good and are less effective than oem bolts.
^You said current design? Was there a better design in the past? I'll be dealing with this after I purchase my block kit this summer....It will be for a turbo project, and I had been reading on here where you need to upgrade the oem bolts.....You are the second person in the last month or so that has stated this about the oem bolts.
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Old 03-24-2008, 06:41 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I just used OEM bolts for my motor.
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Old 03-24-2008, 07:10 PM   #10 (permalink)
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^You said current design? Was there a better design in the past? I'll be dealing with this after I purchase my block kit this summer....It will be for a turbo project, and I had been reading on here where you need to upgrade the oem bolts.....You are the second person in the last month or so that has stated this about the oem bolts.
i have heard "rumors" that ARP will be updateing their stud design for our cars. however the part number will be the same as well as packaging..........so there wont be any way to tell.



not to thread jack, but what will your power goals be? anything under 350 estimated HP SHOULD be ok with OEM bolts but dont quote me on that.
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Old 03-24-2008, 08:46 PM   #11 (permalink)
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hey im building my first all motor setup just wondering what u guys think?

11.0 cp wiseco pistons
scat connecting rod
acl race bearings
apr head studs
cometic head gasket
bc stage 2 cams
bc springs and retianers
75-100 shot of the good stuff
aem wideband and apexi s-afc for tuning
2.5 exshuast and header
heres what i would change (im also assuming this is a de motor your building)

12.1 wiseco pistons
stock rods
new stock bearings
new stock head bolts
new stock head gasket
bc stage 3 cams and s&r
100 shot direct port
jwt ecu with a nitrious tune with the switch (na/nitrious)
ssac 2.5 header
3' exhaust

the car will be bad ass all motor and tuned correctly will handle the nitrious with out a hick up even with the stock internals.

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Old 03-24-2008, 09:10 PM   #12 (permalink)
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heres what i would change (im also assuming this is a de motor your building)

12.1 wiseco pistons
stock rods
new stock bearings
new stock head bolts
new stock head gasket
bc stage 3 cams and s&r
100 shot direct port
jwt ecu with a nitrious tune with the switch (na/nitrious)
ssac 2.5 header
3' exhaust

the car will be bad ass all motor and tuned correctly will handle the nitrious with out a hick up even with the stock internals.

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What he said. Much better set-up then the original post. Probably cheaper, should make some nice power n/a, and ALOT of power with the juice. It will also sound BADa$$ to boot
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Old 03-24-2008, 09:59 PM   #13 (permalink)
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heres what i would change (im also assuming this is a de motor your building)

12.1 wiseco pistons
stock rods
new stock bearings
new stock head bolts
new stock head gasket
bc stage 3 cams and s&r
100 shot direct port
jwt ecu with a nitrious tune with the switch (na/nitrious)
ssac 2.5 header
3' exhaust

the car will be bad ass all motor and tuned correctly will handle the nitrious with out a hick up even with the stock internals.

stratton.


There is no reason not to go with the sr16ve pistons though, they are light, coated from the factory, and drop right in and can be found much cheaper then aftermarket pistons that bump up the compression. Other then that, with spray you can easily reach 230hp or so by my estimate.
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Old 03-24-2008, 10:18 PM   #14 (permalink)
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heres what i would change (im also assuming this is a de motor your building)

12.1 wiseco pistons
stock rods
new stock bearings
new stock head bolts
new stock head gasket
bc stage 3 cams and s&r
100 shot direct port
jwt ecu with a nitrious tune with the switch (na/nitrious)
ssac 2.5 header
3' exhaust

the car will be bad ass all motor and tuned correctly will handle the nitrious with out a hick up even with the stock internals.

stratton.
would you need to do any headwork as well?
i thought all motor set ups would cost way more!!!...how reliable is it with stock internals...i just might use this setup

how high would this rev?

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Old 03-24-2008, 10:27 PM   #15 (permalink)
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heres what i would change (im also assuming this is a de motor your building)

12.1 wiseco pistons
stock rods
new stock bearings
new stock head bolts
new stock head gasket
bc stage 3 cams and s&r
100 shot direct port
jwt ecu with a nitrious tune with the switch (na/nitrious)
ssac 2.5 header
3' exhaust

the car will be bad ass all motor and tuned correctly will handle the nitrious with out a hick up even with the stock internals.

stratton.
will that still b a good set up if u was 2 go turbo instead of nitrious
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Old 03-24-2008, 10:36 PM   #16 (permalink)
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will that still b a good set up if u was 2 go turbo instead of nitrious
Compression would be MIGHTY high for boost.
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Old 03-24-2008, 10:45 PM   #17 (permalink)
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will that still b a good set up if u was 2 go turbo instead of nitrious
That is a definate negative.
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Old 03-24-2008, 10:45 PM   #18 (permalink)
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There is no reason not to go with the sr16ve pistons though, they are light, coated from the factory, and drop right in and can be found much cheaper then aftermarket pistons that bump up the compression. Other then that, with spray you can easily reach 230hp or so by my estimate.
very true, the 16ve pistons give what a 11:5:1 compression in a de ? they are cheap and can be purchased threw greg vogel.


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would you need to do any headwork as well?
i thought all motor set ups would cost way more!!!...how reliable is it with stock internals...i just might use this setup

how high would this rev?
head work would not be a must, but would be a major plus. it would be as reliable as a stock motor with stock internals .

brian crower stage 3 cams with a spring and retainer kit is good to like 8200-8500 from what ive heard, they wont make power that high though.


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will that still b a good set up if u was 2 go turbo instead of nitrious
absolutely not, usdm or jdm stock compression (9:5:1) is great for turbo you do not want to run high compression pistons in a turbo application.

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Old 03-24-2008, 11:14 PM   #19 (permalink)
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But if you're doing a driver + race the 11-12:1 is real high for pump gas.
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