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Right now, I am trying to make a big decision. Build up the SR20DE or get a SR16VE. I like the turbo, but throttle resopnse of nomally aspirated engine is very important for me. I need your serious opinion here. If you were in my position, which engine would you choose? SR20DE has more low end torque than SR16VE, but less high end. If I get an SR20DE, I am planning to change cams (JWT S3 or similar) and get basic head work done.
However, SR16VE got excellent high end, but low end torque won't be much better than GA16DE. I am guessing the SR16VE engine is a lot like Honda's B16. I know a lot of SE-Rs with bolt on mods are killing Civic Si out there so SR16VE might be the same. I'm not into killing other cars or extreme power/speed, so I want whichever makes me happier. SR20DE will be cheaper, but but after doing the cams, etc SR16VE will be about the same price. More low end torque? or High end power? Believe me or not, it's a tough decision to make.
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I agree, why buy the SR16VE when you can get the SR20VE(unless your getting the SR16 N1). But if you were to compare the SR20VE to the SR20DE, that would be an unfair comparision, price wise. I assume your car already has the SR20DE, if you were to swap a SR20VE then that would set you back around $3000 not including install. Now if you want a fair comparision, then maybe you should compare the SR20VE with your SR20DE with an FMAX turbo kit. Or hows about this, instead of the FMAX turbo kit, what about getting a 54c SR20DET(pulsar gti-r), which comes with a T28, ITB's, wayyyy bigger ports, thicker head bolts, 440cc injectors, etc. If you want horsepower, turbo is the route to go, definately. If you want a "different" alternative, then stick with the SR20VE.
You will never get the full power out of a sr16ve becuase JWT will not sell a ecu that goes past 7950 or 8000 rpm (whoever you want to believe). The SR16ve is designed to go to 8200 rpm IIRC. Even with that the SR16VE has a lot going for it over the DE. If you ever think you could swap in the 2.0 crank, rods, and pistons then I would go ahead and get the sr16ve and just consider it a step in the path towards where you will eventually be. If it is to much for you to swap the pistons and crank then I would build up a DE and pass on a VE.
Thanks for your replies. To be honest with you, I do want the SR20VE, but that was out of my list due to the high price and availability. SR20DET swap was my another option, but since I like the all motor engine throttle resopnce and reliability, (mentioned on top) I like to stick with all motor engine.
Right now, my 200SX does not have SR20 engine (it's a low end SE model with GA16). I am looking to do the swap for next project and trying to find an engine. I have to buy a bounch of other parts (i.e. tranny, ecu, harnesses, cv-axles, hoses, mounts, clutch, etc) to make this swap, and some people told me to get rid of my car and buy an SE-R, but since I invested all the other modification already (include full body paint), that's not going to be the option. That's the main reason I listed SR20DE and SR16VE.
VVL motor would be nice, but 1.6L might lack low end torque. Like 98SR20VE said, I could use SR20 crankshaft, rods and pistons to make it 2.0L, but I think it will end up paying same amount as SR20VE or more. So I might just get the cheap low mileage SR20DE and build the power from there. That alone will make me way happier than that useless GA16DE engine.
Thanks again! And if there's any other idea/suggestion, please post.
you will be so impressed with just a stock sr20de compared to that gay16de.. go for the jdm sr20de and hope you can get one with 10:1 compression. you will not be dissappointed
Originally posted by 98sr20ve You will never get the full power out of a sr16ve becuase JWT will not sell a ecu that goes past 7950 or 8000 rpm (whoever you want to believe). The SR16ve is designed to go to 8200 rpm IIRC.
Could he just use the stock computer for the SR16? If so I'd say get the SR16 to have some exclusivity.
Yes, you can use the stock ecu with the stock MAF and INJ but then you will be missing out on 700rpm of the power that the engine makes. If you could do it in stages you could buy a sr16ve and latter buy a used de for a good price and swap stuff over. That would be good for doing it in stages and still cost less then a sr20ve in the end.
Actually i meant the stock computer that comes with the SR16. If he used that he would need to use SR16 tranny also right? But he needs a new tranny anyways since he has the GA16. The SR16 ECU should allow a higher rpm.
Originally posted by sr20ser1997 you will be so impressed with just a stock sr20de compared to that gay16de.. go for the jdm sr20de and hope you can get one with 10:1 compression. you will not be dissappointed
LOL. GAy16DE is right. I totally agree with you. Like I mentioned on very first post, I am not into extreme hosepower. I want something fairly quick. That's all I'm asking for. SR20VE would be very nice, but I'm sure just an SR20DE will probablly make me happy enough. Right now, I pretty much made my decision and my plan is to get a good JDM SR20DE. Thanks all for your imput!
If you are just looking for something quick, I suggest the sr20de. The low end torque will be enough to please you. especially just for around town cruising. then when you start putting some cams in that bad boy, you will be frickin happy as hell because she'll pull harder to red, like the sr16ve you were talking about. get a JDM SR20DE.
dude i have an se-r and its awsome still... when i want it to i can get 300-350 miles out of a hole tank... or when i just drive insanely fast on a hole tank i get about 210 out of a tank of gas. go with the sr20de and later on put in a turbo if u want then LATER LATER on do internals to make it a VE or VET... enjoy the sr20 :-)
