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u mean he did a baseline, then added an intake, muffler, OBX header all at once and gained 12 whp?? that doesnt help much, the only variable should be the header
the first dyno was the baseline with the intake (conical filter even, iirc) and a muffler. the second was with the header and the forementioned mods...
the only variable WAS the header. sorry for the vauge post
u mean he did a baseline, then added an intake, muffler, OBX header all at once and gained 12 whp?? that doesnt help much, the only variable should be the header
you are talking about me here and that webpage is mine.. and the gain was 16Hp and i had the intake already on the car ..... they only thing was added was the header.
142Hp base line and 158Hp with the SR header ---> click HERE (you can see that the K&N was already on the car, in fact i bought the car with it)
Show me the dyno of an obx Gaining 12+whp
MY car dynoed 9whp with only a pacesetter and an airfilter so dirty it had sand IN it.
Hotshot has only proven to gain 2-3 more whp than the pacesetter (gen 4) the charts are all on se-r.net.
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There is not a Gen 4 Pacesetter. The Pacesetter has not changed it's design since it first released the copy of Hotshot which I believe was the Hotshot Gen 1. Hotshot released it's Gen 2 at the same time.
You are trying comparing an older generation Hotshot dyno to a OBX (HS Gen 5 copy) which is no comparison.
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Originally Posted by jetpilot
you are talking about me here and that webpage is mine.. and the gain was 16Hp and i had the intake already on the car ..... they only thing was added was the header.
142Hp base line and 158Hp with the SR header ---> click HERE (you can see that the K&N was already on the car, in fact i bought the car with it)
I was here ...........
Thanks for clearing that up. Your dyno was the ONLY reason I switched from the Pacesetter to the OBX. That and the quality of the OBX over that of the Pacesetter.
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Brandon
'02 Maxima SE 6MT
'96 G20 (SOLD)
Yes I bought it new and it was shipped directly from Pacesetters.
That is exactly how the Pacesetter header looks no matter who buys it. It is cheap, needs some TLC and a can of high temp heat paint ($5-$8 a can) once re-welded (Usually $20) and sanded, but does have decent power.
It's just recently (witin the last 6 months) that the OBX pretty much took the crown of cheapest, most powerful quality header available. In most cases, you can get the OBX shipped cheaper than the PS on eBay.
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Brandon
'02 Maxima SE 6MT
'96 G20 (SOLD)
high temp paint didnt even work on my header. maybe *** i live in the northeast. If you do you might as well just slap that thing on there and let it rust away.
My ps had minimal rusting after a few winter months... if you really want the high temp paint to work, you need to strip ALL of the shipping paint off it. I liked the PS, it felt better at low rpm than the OBX does. I didn't get a chance to take the car to the track with the OBX yet but I doubt my times will improve.
My ps had minimal rusting after a few winter months... if you really want the high temp paint to work, you need to strip ALL of the shipping paint off it. I liked the PS, it felt better at low rpm than the OBX does. I didn't get a chance to take the car to the track with the OBX yet but I doubt my times will improve.
according to the dyno's that have been posted with the obx... you should see better whp gains and a better track time with the obx as opposed to the PS.
iirc, didn't you have some installation issues with the obx? did you get them sorted out???
Yeah, someone needs to donate a Hotshot to Figgy, so this Pacesetter cheerleader will give up already . Hehe
Why not buy a used Hotshot Fig? You could probably get one for the same price you got that Pacesh*tter...setter for. (side note...love those lexan windows! )
Let me see one of you OBX Heads match my HP.
I DONT THINK SO!!!!
As a matter of fact, let me see one of any HEADER beat my HP with my mods.
NOTHING LIKE DYNO TUNING BABY!!!!!!!
PICK UP THE PACE!!! ( EVEN IF THEY LOOK LIKE ASS!!! )
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Thanks for clearing that up. Your dyno was the ONLY reason I switched from the Pacesetter to the OBX. That and the quality of the OBX over that of the Pacesetter.
As a matter of fact, let me see one of any HEADER beat my HP with my mods.
NOTHING LIKE DYNO TUNING BABY!!!!!!!
PICK UP THE PACE!!! ( EVEN IF THEY LOOK LIKE ASS!!! )
Lets see the mods. What are they again?
2 Piece Pulleys
Homemade intake
Crush bent side exhaust
No A/C or PS ? I know you cut something out...
Pacesetter Header
Advanced Timing?
You keep throwing out your numbers like the header is the only thing that gives you more HP than most people with I/H/E. You may win for cheapest-ugliest-undaily-driveable-lieghtweight-SER. But it ends there. No offense to you or anything, just...Drag Cars vs Daily Driver cars aren't very comparible in HP numbers. There's so many things you've done that most won't do. We're not all lucky enough to own a separate drag car.
according to the dyno's that have been posted with the obx... you should see better whp gains and a better track time with the obx as opposed to the PS.
iirc, didn't you have some installation issues with the obx? did you get them sorted out???
I did... I had to grind out the holes on the primary for the exhaust mani to head studs to get through. I also ground the secondary pipes where they meet the flange to the primaries.. and it has a damn ticking sound. I think its leaking at that flange. I need to get a better gasket in there. I used new grade 8 bolts and torqued them a few times to 40 or 50 lbs... maybe went to far with them?
I like the OBX. I stated before that I feel the top end is the same, maybe better but I still think the pace bottom end rules... probably due to the smaller primary pipes.
well went I went from a leaky Pacesetter to the OBX I felt no difference whatsoever. And even though there wasnt an apparent leak, all I could hear and still hear is a PSHHHing noise ALL THE TIME. It doesnt seem like the Primary to Secondary Gasket lines up very well at all. I had to use a dremel on mine to get the bolt holes lined up, and then to get the Pipe holes to line up so the gasket wouldnt protrude into the exhaust stream. But I think it still does. I never had this problem with the Pacesetter
The Pacesetter header has absolutely no bottom end power at all. As a matter of fact, it has less low end torque and horsepower than the stock exhaust manifold.
The OBX (that replaced my Pacesetter) has a nice power band from low end to top end. I am extremely pleased to have my low end torque back. Missed it all this time with my Pacesetter installed.
Pacesetter, as proven through many dynos, has littel gains until around 3000 rpms, then it drops off around 5500.
chris13bsr20, you must have something else going on that is causing you to loose low end torque. It can't be the header.
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Brandon
'02 Maxima SE 6MT
'96 G20 (SOLD)
Ok, well I'm not making this up. I don't know what else could be wrong. The only thing that was changed was the header, nothing else. The car overall still feels very strong and the top end is the same if not better. Maybe my OBX is leaking more than I think.
The machanic said everything was in the box that was needed to install it. I don't know what header was on my car before but it needed changed cause it was cracked, although I know it was aftermarket.
My car feels faster, probably cause it had a leak before, but my top end doen't feel like a 4 cylinder sportbike as much. I can atest to people who say it gains lower end horses and may lose some up top. Overall though I'm happy.
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