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2 Piece Pulleys
Homemade intake
Crush bent side exhaust
No A/C or PS ? I know you cut something out...
Pacesetter Header
Advanced Timing?
You keep throwing out your numbers like the header is the only thing that gives you more HP than most people with I/H/E. You may win for cheapest-ugliest-undaily-driveable-lieghtweight-SER. But it ends there. No offense to you or anything, just...Drag Cars vs Daily Driver cars aren't very comparible in HP numbers. There's so many things you've done that most won't do. We're not all lucky enough to own a separate drag car.
1 pulley
HOMEMADE INTAKE / EXHAUST
PACE HEADER
No a/c or P/S
No advance timing due to NITROUS.
I understand what you are saying. BUT what Im saying is that the PACESETTER "worked" for me and my mods. I know its not what gave me ALL the POWER. and Im not trying to compare "daily drivers" to DRAG CARS. I havent seen any DRAG CARS compare to my HP numbers either. ( with my mods ) It just WORKED OUT GREAT FOR ME. I cant complain about the PACE.
I'd like to see a DRAG OBX B13.
__________________ Jonathan 94 LE "Im going to get groceries in the gas sipper" 93 G20 "Im cruising tonight" 2004 Quest "The NEW Papi Bus" To school and back in 45 minutes
Last edited by SmoothDaddyFig : 05-06-2004 at 01:13 PM.
Ok, has anyone actually dynoed the difference between the two? I am really interested in this, I have both the pacesetter and OBX, so I am very tempted to do it. If anyone has interest in this let me know. I will be testing the OBX first because its already on my car, once I get the rest of the exhaust worked out Ill head to the dyno and see where Im at again. Then the next week or so Ill go back with the pacesetter on and see what happens, no other changes being made.
Please respond and share your thoughts, or if you think its just a waste of $50 that could go directly towards a true hotshot header
They both suck. The Pacesetter is a absolute direct copy of the first gen hotshot, fits in the jig for it perfectly. The OBX is a copy of the lastest gen Hotshot, fits in the jg perfect but has some very minor differences in the emmissions fittings, materials (low grade stainless vs mild steel) and slightly bigger primaries with a mismatch between the primary and secondary tubes.
They are probably close in power. The Pacesetter is 3-4 hp off the lastest Gen 5 hotshot and so is the OBX.
yeah id check before the install. perhaps send it back?
but pacesetter isnt as nice as OBX, ive seen OBX being made and i have freinds who work in the developmental areas in cali.. where obx had a lot of hteir stuff made at..
they are a lot better then most things.. still not fancy but oh well
1 pulley
HOMEMADE INTAKE / EXHAUST
PACE HEADER
No a/c or P/S
No advance timing due to NITROUS.
I understand what you are saying. BUT what Im saying is that the PACESETTER "worked" for me and my mods. I know its not what gave me ALL the POWER. and Im not trying to compare "daily drivers" to DRAG CARS. I havent seen any DRAG CARS compare to my HP numbers either. ( with my mods ) It just WORKED OUT GREAT FOR ME. I cant complain about the PACE.
I'd like to see a DRAG OBX B13.
Well, your a cool cat. On some kind of all out dyno day, I'd bet someone would let you dyno the OBX or a HotShot to see what could happen. I know what your saying about how it helped you, I'm just saying some people my be confused in thinking the Pacesetter is actually the most *powerful* header out there...w/o knowing your full list of mods.
Last edited by mYseRgOesvrOOm : 05-06-2004 at 04:52 PM.
149.3 HP / 133 torque with power steering and a/c.
Full interior
Thats with PACEHEADER, CUSTOM INTAKE, 2.25 crush exhaust, 3ARacing Muffler, 21 timing. Daily driven. It still cant be beat!!!
That was in my daily driver WITH interior.
__________________ Jonathan 94 LE "Im going to get groceries in the gas sipper" 93 G20 "Im cruising tonight" 2004 Quest "The NEW Papi Bus" To school and back in 45 minutes
They are probably close in power. The Pacesetter is 3-4 hp off the lastest Gen 5 hotshot and so is the OBX.
Mike
Where did you get the 3-4 hp difference? I was under the impression that the Pacesetter puts out as much as the 1st gen HS which was a lot less than the Gen 5 HS. It is also apparent when viewing the old dyno runs done by Sport Compact Car a few years back.
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Brandon
'02 Maxima SE 6MT
'96 G20 (SOLD)
Where did you get the 3-4 hp difference? I was under the impression that the Pacesetter puts out as much as the 1st gen HS which was a lot less than the Gen 5 HS. It is also apparent when viewing the old dyno runs done by Sport Compact Car a few years back.
often times people comfuse peak hp, with total hp gained.
i'm assuming that is what he meant by the 3-4hp. it's still a pretty decent gain over the pacesetter.
my motor's not the freak.................I AM !!!!!!
bwahahaha!!!
Heres the scoop though.
My dyno #'s go as follows:
HP MODS
--- --------------------
127 17 advance timing and CAI
132 My custom CAI and Pace, 17timing
136 CAI, PACE, Exhaust, 17 timing
139 CAI, PACE, EXHAUST, 21 timing, tuning
149 All I did here was add my custom intake. POW!!!
154 ALL THE ABOVE + No a/c or p/s and side exhaust, crank pulley
So I have WORKED my way up. Its not just luck.
__________________ Jonathan 94 LE "Im going to get groceries in the gas sipper" 93 G20 "Im cruising tonight" 2004 Quest "The NEW Papi Bus" To school and back in 45 minutes
Last edited by SmoothDaddyFig : 05-07-2004 at 10:15 PM.
ok i know some of you are complaining about the bolt holes not lining up on the header to the downpipe , it seems they dont at first but you have to put the down pipe on the header ** actually putting the bolts on the head to tighten down the header. this allows you to perfectly align the bolts and the gasket, now if you want to align the gasket up perfectly you need to dap a little bit of gasket maker on each little corner this acts like a little bit of glue to get it centered. They engineered this thing pretty well. its an exact bolt up and fits on nice and easy. the raspyness some of you talk about it where there has to be a small leak somewhere mayeb the bolts were not properly tightened in sequince. you have to tighten slowly and evenly otherwise you get warped metal. just like taking off a head you need to shave it to put it back on then you must torque it to a certain sequince then loosen and do the whole thing again. this assures an even and non warped surface. it took a week of going to my friends garage and working on my car to make sure everything was perfect. i broke a bolt in the head so i drilled it out and put a heali coil in it. then i took my time to get everything right.
those jagged edges are very poor engineering! any rough or jagged edges cause turbulance and back pressure. now if the manufactures took the time to properly design it or finish the job they would have smoothed the inside out. i have never seen a hotshot but im sure they have done so. can anyone tell me? i was happy with the OBX/stone racing header even though some slight rought edges there wasnt much though and we smoothed them out witha dremel anyways. Thanks to DAD ( engineer) he directed me in that direction. although he is still scheptical about any headers for the car in the first place. he sais there all too cheep for what they claim lol.
we all have to understand, most of us have daily drivers, and somtimes we like to go for the cheepest thing out there or plane old ghetto rigging, well none of that would pass in a real race atmosphere, so we can all keep dreaming about our race days but in reality unless we are loading some major money into our engines they are nothing more than fun little hotrods with some ghetto mods lol
"They both suck. The Pacesetter is a absolute direct copy of the first gen hotshot, fits in the jig for it perfectly. The OBX is a copy of the lastest gen Hotshot....
They are probably close in power. The Pacesetter is 3-4 hp off the lastest Gen 5 hotshot and so is the OBX."
This is a bunch of crap...sorry but I see no logic in what you are saying here.
If the OBX is a copy of the hotshot gen5, and the pacesetter is a copy of the hotshot GEN1...then how could they "both suck". The OBX has already been dyno tested and proven to be very close to the gen5 in power gains. It is almost a perfect copy of hotshots gen5 so the dyno results make perfect sense.
The Pacesetter on the other hand has never been dynod to produce anywhere near the same gains as obx or hotshot gen5...so are you talking out of your ass here or what?
I think it was due to his attitude towards Mikes comment. If he had replied in more respectable manner, instead of "so are you talking out of your ass here or what?" it would have been better.
State your opinion all you want, if your view differs than thats fine. Just keep it a mature debate.
As soon as Mike posted that I knew several individuals would question his comment. I know I did. I was the first to reply to his comments.
There is no comparison betwen the Pacesetter and the OBX except that they are both designed after different generation Hotshot headers. As for the 3-4 hp power difference, that is where I highly disagree with Mike's comments. The OBX should be generating similiar to the same output as the Gen 5 HS. That is a large improvement over the Pacesetter header and there is absolutely no comparison to the Pacesetter when it comes to performance gains.
As soon as the dyno run was published on the OBX was when the poop hit the fan and all this controversy started. It produced almost identical out put gains as the Hotshot Gen 5 at 1/3 the price.
I am very pleased with the OBX header. It was a very nice improvement over the Pacesetter and the price was actually cheaper than the Pacesetter that I replaced. Quality of the build is great and it will resist corrosion and cracking 100% better than any Pacesetter header and potentially all current and past Hotshot headers.
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Brandon
'02 Maxima SE 6MT
'96 G20 (SOLD)
As soon as Mike posted that I knew several individuals would question his comment. I know I did. I was the first to reply to his comments.
There is no comparison betwen the Pacesetter and the OBX except that they are both designed after different generation Hotshot headers. As for the 3-4 hp power difference, that is where I highly disagree with Mike's comments. The OBX should be generating similiar to the same output as the Gen 5 HS. That is a large improvement over the Pacesetter header and there is absolutely no comparison to the Pacesetter when it comes to performance gains.
As soon as the dyno run was published on the OBX was when the poop hit the fan and all this controversy started. It produced almost identical out put gains as the Hotshot Gen 5 at 1/3 the price.
I am very pleased with the OBX header. It was a very nice improvement over the Pacesetter and the price was actually cheaper than the Pacesetter that I replaced. Quality of the build is great and it will resist corrosion and cracking 100% better than any Pacesetter header and potentially all current and past Hotshot headers.
well said
I enjoy my OBX, stone racing header aswell, i jsut finaly got the car timed and re vaume lined today after i took off the emissions.
it definatly is worth way more than i paid for it.
and i still have money to live off of
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