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Just out of curiosity, who else besides jetpilot has dyno'd the OBX? One dyno run can be a fluke, not saying it is, but that is just one posted run... a lot to hang your hat on.
Now, the obx should put out more whp than the pacesetter. Obx is a copy/hybrid of the HS Gen5, the pacesetter is a direct copy of the of the HS Gen3.
As far as how long the obx will last... who knows? It "should" last longer, but it's still pretty new... knock on wood.
I would think similar results would be within 3 to 5 whp, anything larger would be huge. As far as I know, from different HS5 dyno runs I've seen, it is the king by at least 2 to 4 whp. I may be mis-remembering and I'm too lazy to look/post all the different dyno's done on the Gen5. If you're that interested in their numbers, y'all can do the search.
Until someone posts more obx dyno's, or even does a dyno run with the obx .vs. the gen5... all this is just "wishing/smack" talk.
There is no need to let this denigrate into another "me flame you, you flame me" thread. Right or wrong, whatever side you're on... there has been too much of it. If you want to call someone "out"... pm that person and keep the "attitude/poop" to yourself and off the thread.
Oh, in reply to this original thread: If I were so inclined, I'd take the OBX over the Pacesetter any day. More power, and so far, better lasting.
Peace,
Mark
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Why pick the most antagonistic way to make a point? There's no problem with questioning people, I do it all the time, it's the way you do it.
Don't think of Mike K. as being "special", think of it as he carries some "weight". And, it's not just Mike(just used him as an example), there are lots of people who have contributed to our community. No one needs to be called out("talking out their ass")... if you have the experience and the facts to back it up... question. If you're unsure or don't believe... find the answers yourself, then question.
It's almost as if you have a personal issue going on... deal with it without an audience(this forum) or pm whomever. You can pretty much say what you want on the forum without attacking anyone. Sometimes it's not easy, especially after the "obx wars", but it's doable.
By the way, I'm not anybody special here, myself. And I don't think I get away with anything. Mostly, I catch myself, then go back and edit the things I wouldn't want my kids to read... they'd probably be scared to death.
Peace,
Mark("Hello, my name is Mark, and I'm a Rabid Ranter. Hello, Mark, welcome to the 12 step program")
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Has anyone else dyno'd a before and after OBX? The more dyno's you have(or any tests) the better "feel" you get for the product. Get enough tests and you can make a nice Bell Curve and have a pretty good idea, within a couple of hp, of how the product is going to perform all the time.
Heck, I'd love to see a OBX .vs. HS Gen5 dyno series... even if it's just to see how they compare across the entire power band, be kind of neat. It'd give everybody a fuller concept of what you're getting for your money.
Peace,
Mark
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OK - so maybe I will dyno the difference between the Pacesetter and the OBX.
Heres my personal experience - I felt no difference whatsoever when I switched from Pacesetter to OBX. thats why I am curious in the first place to dyno them.
On B15sentra.net I remember two people dynoing the OBX and the numbers were not far off from the guy overseas. I have the OBX header and would love to try it out, but at this moment 90% of my turbo kit is together and I want that bad boy on......Ill see if I can find the threads
Welp, finally installed the new OBX header/removed the egr system at the same time. The header fits great and the flanges are thick as anything while the gaskets were pretty nice, too. The only pain in the butt thing was the bolts holding the primary to the secondary since they are bolts and not studs, but still everything fit up nicely.
It feels like I've lost an even amount of torque across the rev range, but picked up a decent amount of horsepower, especially on the top end. The car sounds "tinny" and has an annoying buzz to it, making it sound like a ricer now. I'm attributing that to a hollowed cat, though. You can hear the car breath now and it's loud as hell with no exhaust. Pouting around town is even worse, since my car never had any torque to begin with, but who cares since it's being built for the track. The motor seems to rev a lot smoother now and winds up a lot quicker. The tires seem to want to break loose, but the clutch starts to slip instead, haha. Time for the new clutch/flywheel combo to go in!
I'm going to dyno the car, but not anytime soon. And not until a few more things are done to the motor. So, there will basically be no constant from when I initially dyno'd it and the next time it sees the rollers....sorry!
As soon as Mike posted that I knew several individuals would question his comment. I know I did. I was the first to reply to his comments.
There is no comparison betwen the Pacesetter and the OBX except that they are both designed after different generation Hotshot headers. As for the 3-4 hp power difference, that is where I highly disagree with Mike's comments. The OBX should be generating similiar to the same output as the Gen 5 HS. That is a large improvement over the Pacesetter header and there is absolutely no comparison to the Pacesetter when it comes to performance gains.
As soon as the dyno run was published on the OBX was when the poop hit the fan and all this controversy started. It produced almost identical out put gains as the Hotshot Gen 5 at 1/3 the price.
I am very pleased with the OBX header. It was a very nice improvement over the Pacesetter and the price was actually cheaper than the Pacesetter that I replaced. Quality of the build is great and it will resist corrosion and cracking 100% better than any Pacesetter header and potentially all current and past Hotshot headers.
The pacesetter makes the same power as the first gen hotshot. Its is just like a first gen hotshot made with cheaper materials (thiner tubes and flanges, poor quality flex joint, poor fit of emissions). The 3rd gen hotshot makes signifcantly more power than the first (bigger primaries tweaked on dyno). Improvments done since then in the gen 4 (thicker primary tubes, little better downpipe location to clear short shifters and big sway bars, copper gaskets)and 5 (CNC flanges) are more geared toward durabilty and generaly making a nicer header than producing more power.
The OBX is a much better made header than the Pacesetter by a long way. Where the power differential will come from between the Hotshot and the OBX is the poor match between the pipes between the primary and secondary.
This is sorta fortunate for Hotshot because the OBX would probably work just as well then. The emissions fittings on a OBX don't line up well etiehr which is an issue with some people and the long term durabilty of low grade stainless could even be less than coated mild steel. I have gotten quite a few private messages from OBX users complaining about severe corriosion, but admitedly its hard to tell if this is structural or not in pictures.
The gen 6 Hotshot runs circles around every SR20 header avalible by a long ways.
"Psssst, Mike... over here". The Gen6 sounds like it's going to be awesome. I'll love to read about how it gets tested and the results. Also, can't remember if it was this thread or another, you mentioned that Hot Shot may redesign the Gen5 a little bit, to maybe improve some wear/tear issues. Is this going to happen at all, or is it just going to be straight to the Gen6?
Only reason I'm asking about the possibly "new and improved" Gen5, is that the Gen6 seems like it will be best utilized with a full bolt on engine... something that I'm unlikely to ever have. Because of this, I'm thinking that an improved, or even present, Gen5 would be my best bet. How far off the mark am I and what am I missing?.
Peace,
Mark
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Welp, finally installed the new OBX header/removed the egr system at the same time. The header fits great and the flanges are thick as anything while the gaskets were pretty nice, too. The only pain in the butt thing was the bolts holding the primary to the secondary since they are bolts and not studs, but still everything fit up nicely.
It feels like I've lost an even amount of torque across the rev range, but picked up a decent amount of horsepower, especially on the top end. The car sounds "tinny" and has an annoying buzz to it, making it sound like a ricer now. I'm attributing that to a hollowed cat, though. You can hear the car breath now and it's loud as hell with no exhaust. Pouting around town is even worse, since my car never had any torque to begin with, but who cares since it's being built for the track. The motor seems to rev a lot smoother now and winds up a lot quicker. The tires seem to want to break loose, but the clutch starts to slip instead, haha. Time for the new clutch/flywheel combo to go in!
I'm going to dyno the car, but not anytime soon. And not until a few more things are done to the motor. So, there will basically be no constant from when I initially dyno'd it and the next time it sees the rollers....sorry!
i basically have the same set up as you man, but i kept my stock cat back on.
I have run it open down pipe though. the hollowed out cat does seem to be the culpret plus i dont think they evenly hook to the flanges on the downpipe anyways. if you want to make sure your down pipe is securly attached to the header bolt it on ** you bolt the header on.
i have the same tinny buzzing sound. the buzzing sound i found out is those damn egr plugs on the header they keep wanting to come loose. maybe some gasket maker will seal them. the tinny sound has to be the cat i hope atleast, it does sound a little ricey but i hope to cover that up with a AEM CAI soon.
those integras might sound nice with there little intakes and all but i still wooped there ass last night .you lose a little bit of torque but not much and gain a good amount of top end.
"Psssst, Mike... over here". The Gen6 sounds like it's going to be awesome. I'll love to read about how it gets tested and the results. Also, can't remember if it was this thread or another, you mentioned that Hot Shot may redesign the Gen5 a little bit, to maybe improve some wear/tear issues. Is this going to happen at all, or is it just going to be straight to the Gen6?
Only reason I'm asking about the possibly "new and improved" Gen5, is that the Gen6 seems like it will be best utilized with a full bolt on engine... something that I'm unlikely to ever have. Because of this, I'm thinking that an improved, or even present, Gen5 would be my best bet. How far off the mark am I and what am I missing?.
Peace,
Mark
why cant they get it right the first million generations ;
its good business to keep releasing all these generations, guess it sux for the guy who just bought the gen 5 the night ** the gen 6 comes out lol.
The gen 6 Hotshot runs circles around every SR20 header avalible by a long ways.
Mike
Thanks for the follow-up Mike. Curiousity got to me.
As for the OBX, I live in northern Ohio and can tell you, my header is already showing signs of dulling and what not, but that was well expected when I purchased it. I have had it installed for approx. 4,000 miles and still looks 100% better than my Pacesetter.
Still pleased over the difference it presents compared to the Pacesetter.
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'96 G20 (SOLD)
why cant they get it right the first million generations ;
its good business to keep releasing all these generations, guess it sux for the guy who just bought the gen 5 the night ** the gen 6 comes out lol.
j/k guys
Why do I always get the impression, that when this is brought up, that the "problems" are all inclusive, that it happens to everyone who has an HS header? Has it happened to a number of people? Yes, w/o doubt... but not even close to everyone. Why do we hear about it every time this is brought up? Because only people who are dissatisfied make any noise, as is their right.
Now, why does HS continue to put out new generations of headers? Because they do the friggin research and testing to improve on the previous generation... for us. This is something OBX will never do, period. Right there is one of the biggest differences why the HS costs more than the OBX.
I'm ecstatic that they're putting out a Gen6 header, that means I'll probably be able to pick up a previous generation(#5) for less money. I don't even know yet if they will make any "changes" to the Gen5... even if they don't, that's what I'm still budgeting for.
Peace,
Mark
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" Now, why does HS continue to put out new generations of headers? Because they do the friggin research and testing to improve on the previous generation... for us. This is something OBX will never do, period. Right there is one of the biggest differences why the HS costs more than the OBX."
So you can't even afford a simple bolt-on for your car and yet you think the fact hotshot redesigns their headers is a good thing, for us? For who? Not you. Most people on this board want to buy one good header and leave it at that. Nobody would be happy if they had to buy three generations of headers to keep up, its a lot of money down the drain. A real quality performance part will last on its own value for a long time, much longer than hotshots typically will last before becoming outdated.
I am putting everyone here on blast now, Mike is definitely interested in hotshots reputation for some reason or other. He will always defend hotshot, there are many good headers for the sr20, and a few really good ones. But according to mike, hotshot is god. Whenever mentioning another header he will say, "its good...but," When it comes to hotshot there is only the positive.
Vladha basically rides mikes _____ "pssst over here, mike" ...enough said
A lot of people stand up for the obx for what it is...a great header for the money. Nothing but respect to you, you take the truth side of the matter. Other people either have other interests in mind, or are just copying people who do!
Watch this thread get closed now, its almost a guarantee! But let the truth be heard anyway.
i have the same tinny buzzing sound. the buzzing sound i found out is those damn egr plugs on the header they keep wanting to come loose. maybe some gasket maker will seal them. the tinny sound has to be the cat i hope atleast, it does sound a little ricey but i hope to cover that up with a AEM CAI soon.
those integras might sound nice with there little intakes and all but i still wooped there ass last night .you lose a little bit of torque but not much and gain a good amount of top end.
I coated the plugs with anti-seize and spread grey gasket-maker all over the secondary-to-cat gasket. So, hopefully no leaks. But I think the tinny sound will go away once I dump into a 3" bullet muffler and out the side.....I just hope it'll pass 103db from 50ft. away, hahaha.
" Now, why does HS continue to put out new generations of headers? Because they do the friggin research and testing to improve on the previous generation... for us. This is something OBX will never do, period. Right there is one of the biggest differences why the HS costs more than the OBX."
So you can't even afford a simple bolt-on for your car and yet you think the fact hotshot redesigns their headers is a good thing, for us? For who? Not you. Most people on this board want to buy one good header and leave it at that. Nobody would be happy if they had to buy three generations of headers to keep up, its a lot of money down the drain. A real quality performance part will last on its own value for a long time, much longer than hotshots typically will last before becoming outdated.
I am putting everyone here on blast now, Mike is definitely interested in hotshots reputation for some reason or other. He will always defend hotshot, there are many good headers for the sr20, and a few really good ones. But according to mike, hotshot is god. Whenever mentioning another header he will say, "its good...but," When it comes to hotshot there is only the positive.
Vladha basically rides mikes _____ "pssst over here, mike" ...enough said
A lot of people stand up for the obx for what it is...a great header for the money. Nothing but respect to you, you take the truth side of the matter. Other people either have other interests in mind, or are just copying people who do!
Watch this thread get closed now, its almost a guarantee! But let the truth be heard anyway.
I don't like Hotshot because Hotshot is god but because of emperical dyno data that it performs better than the others. The current Gen 5 outperforms the others, the only other header that it can be compared to is the AEBS which has a wider powerband and slightly less peak power. The AEBS probably has better useable power but I don't like it because of poor ground clearance and poor clearance between it and lower control arm braces and bigger sway bars. The Hotshot fits the best and is the easyest to intall of all the headers.
These are good reasons why I belive Hotshot is the best. Reasons why Pacesetter is good, its cheap, reasons why OBX is good, its cheap. Dealing with the negatives of these brands is worth the cost difference to some.
Making it simple, you won't see any of the fastest and most powerful SE-R's in this country running these, nor will any of the guys here that actualy build fast SE-R's like them. You won't see Andrieas Miko or myself reaching for more power with them. You won't see any of the se-r's that actualy win real races run these either.
Some people don't want to build a fast car, some people have no ambitions for racing, that's fine, they just want to make their cars faster and not spend much money. The Pacesetter is probably false economy because its poor construction won't last long. The OBX is proably the better choice.
These are logical non argumentive reason for all three brands.
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