hi guys what springs and shocks you guys use on your nx and is there a full race suspension out there like the 240sx apexi n1 thanxs in advance:)

I'm running Ground Control Coilover kit 300f 200r on KYB AGX's and Suspension Techniques Sway bars, although most people these reccommend the Nu-Tech adjustable rear sway bar.

Originally posted by LONEWOLF
hi guys what springs and shocks you guys use on your nx and is there a full race suspension out there like the 240sx apexi n1 thanxs in advance:)

I use Ground Control coilovers and KYB AGX shocks on my 200SX (good street setup), and I use Ground Control coilovers and Koni "IT" double-adjustable shortened struts on my NX2000 trackslut.

If you want a full-race suspension, be prepared to shell out the $$$. The cheapest full coilover setup for our cars right now is the Motivational setup (www.motivational.net). They run about $1400 per set. They come with Eibach ERS springs (same as Ground Control) and Koni single-adjustable shortened struts. I'll tell you right now, my NX is NOT fun to drive on the street with that suspension setup (partly because of the stiff spring rates... 450f/375r). Your best bet would be to just get some Ground Controls along with KYB AGX struts... That should run you well less than $1000.



--Andrew Phan
1993 NX2000
1998 200SX SE-R

RIGHT NOW i have eibach springs and tokico shocks i was told early in the forum to do any real camber caster adjustments i had to get the ground control and they won't fit with the tokico's so i just wanted to know what other shocks struts is out there. and it seems like that to tokico are stock replacements and rub against my 15 inch rims and my 205/50 tires just wanted to weigh my options

so i can't use any eibach springs and tokico shocks with the ground control. :mad: i just wasted a lot of money dam i talk to a guy he says the reason i rubbing is becuse i need shorten springs and shocks i went to motivational and seen the difference in size i guess i buy the motivational or buy the ground controls. i just pissed that i wasted so much money!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Originally posted by LONEWOLF
so i can't use any eibach springs and tokico shocks with the ground control. :mad: i just wasted a lot of money dam i talk to a guy he says the reason i rubbing is becuse i need shorten springs and shocks i went to motivational and seen the difference in size i guess i buy the motivational or buy the ground controls. i just pissed that i wasted so much money!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

You can use your Tokico struts with the Ground Control coilover kit, though I don't know why you'd want to. The Tokico's are OEM replacement type struts, and wouldn't be able to dampen the stiffer Eibach ERS springs that come with the GC kit. And no, you can't use your Eibach springs (Prokit or Sportline) with the GC kit.

Regarding the rubbing... Is it the front wheels, the rear wheels or both? Are the tires rubbing against the fender or the strut? If anything, I think the reason the tires are rubbing is the offset of the wheels and/or the car is too low.

If you want to do any real camber AND caster adjustments, you'll need Ground Control's camber plates. They'll only work with coilovers; they won't work with conventional type springs like the stock springs, or Eibach Prokit/Sportline springs. The Stillen/Cusco camber plates work with regular springs, but would only be camber adjustable, not caster adjustable.

You should read up www.se-r.net for suspension information. Better than to ask so many questions, when most of your answers are there.



--Andrew Phan

Suspension Techniques and Monroe garbage!

I installed the motivational setup on my NX 2 days ago and I love it...

No track time yet but I am highly impressed. For more info on suspensions search this forum and se-r.net...there is a ton of info on high end suspensions, such as truechoice, motivational, and shocktek.

Are the pro-kits progressive or linear springs?

Originally posted by Nick
Are the pro-kits progressive or linear springs?

Linear front springs, progressive rear springs.



--Andrew Phan

FUCK!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Originally posted by LONEWOLF
FUCK!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Damn dude... You're trippin'! Tell us what you want to do with the suspension. How do you want the car to behave? You didn't even tell us which Eibach springs you have; Prokit or Sportline? If you have the Prokits, you could start by throwing away your Tokicos in place of some KYB AGX struts. You'll definitely feel a difference from there. If you have the Sportlines, almost any shock (except for shortened Koni struts) will prematurely fail as you'll be on the bumpstops most of the time.

As an alternative, you can purchase the shortened Koni struts from Motivational to use with your Eibach springs. The extra suspension travel will allow you to lower your car even more if you wanted to. www.motivational.net



--Andrew Phan

here the problem all for tires ride against the shock i need camber caster adjustment. i want my car to sit a little lower. im screw anyway just for the camber caster adjustment. i must buy ground control or the motivationals and even if i went with the ground control coilovers they don't fit with the eibach pro kits springs i need a to buy one or the other thats why i said fuck becuse i know i would have to buy a new shock spring combo. thanxs for the info guys you been a big help i will be selling my tokico shocks and eibach springs soon.

Originally posted by LONEWOLF
here the problem all for tires ride against the shock i need camber caster adjustment. i want my car to sit a little lower. im screw anyway just for the camber caster adjustment. i must buy ground control or the motivationals and even if i went with the ground control coilovers they don't fit with the eibach pro kits springs i need a to buy one or the other thats why i said fuck becuse i know i would have to buy a new shock spring combo. thanxs for the info guys you been a big help i will be selling my tokico shocks and eibach springs soon.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... Slow down for a minute. First off, please type with proper grammar and punctuation so that those of us who are reading your posts can understand what you're saying. Now... I'm gonna try my best to interpret what you just posted, and I will ask you a few questions; please answer them to the best of your knowledge. Also, read what I post really carefully, and chime in with your input.

You're saying all four wheels are rubbing against the struts. What wheels do you have? Size, offset? Sounds like the offset isn't correct for the car. Doesn't sound like a camber problem.

How much do you want to lower your car? You can get Eibach Sportlines or Intrax springs, as they lower the car more than the Eibach ProKits. Though, I would recommend stiffer springs to keep the suspension from bottoming out. That's where the Ground Control coilovers come in. You can choose your spring rates, as the Eibach ERS springs have a variety of different rates for your application, not to mention the ride height is adjustable. I would also recommend shortened struts if you plan on lowering the car more than 2". Motivational sells shortened Koni struts that will work with conventional springs. Get the Koni's, and some Eibach Sportlines, and you'll be set. Want to adjust camber? Stillen/Cusco and Ground Control camber plates are available.

You're going to sell your Eibach Prokits and Tokico struts anyway, so please keep in mind the options you have. I laid out most of what I know. Want to learn more about suspension tuning? Got the time to read? Here's a link:

http://www.se-r.net/car_info/suspension_tuning.html

Hope that helps enlighten you.



--Andrew Phan

i have the kyb agx setup w/intrax springs. could i do the switch to gc coilovers?. my struts have the bottom spring perch on them.so do you machine that off, or buy some special strut from the get go?

thanks,:D

Originally posted by NX-DET
i have the kyb agx setup w/intrax springs. could i do the switch to gc coilovers?. my struts have the bottom spring perch on them.so do you machine that off, or buy some special strut from the get go?

thanks,:D

Uh... Don't know if you're kidding or not with that smiley face, but here goes... There's round metal piece on the top of the strut body that you must grind down in order for the GC threaded collar to fit on the body. Don't need to machine off the stock lower perch. The threaded collar sort of sits on that.

well i want to adjust the ride height and the camber, caster. the only kit out that can do that is the ground control or the motivationals. i want this car slammed!!and the stillen camber kit only adjust camber not caster. the way i see it, is that i was trying to save the shocks and it's not going to happen with what i want. this is what i plan on buying.

1) ground control spring coilover-400 set of 4
2) camber caster kit-349 pair
3) kyb agxs price?

or should i get the motivational kit? if i do will i be able to adjust the camber caster? this is what i want

1) adjustable 2" inch drop
2) adjustable camber, caster
3) shorten shocks, struts to support the 2''inch drop

thanxs a lot im sorry for not punctation right but im using the computer at work i can get in trouble!!!!!!!!
:) :D

Originally posted by LONEWOLF
well i want to adjust the ride height and the camber, caster. the only kit out that can do that is the ground control or the motivationals. i want this car slammed!!and the stillen camber kit only adjust camber not caster. the way i see it, is that i was trying to save the shocks and it's not going to happen with what i want. this is what i plan on buying.

1) ground control spring coilover-400 set of 4
2) camber caster kit-349 pair
3) kyb agxs price?

or should i get the motivational kit? if i do will i be able to adjust the camber caster? this is what i want

1) adjustable 2" inch drop
2) adjustable camber, caster
3) shorten shocks, struts to support the 2''inch drop

thanxs a lot im sorry for not punctation right but im using the computer at work i can get in trouble!!!!!!!!
:) :D

KYB AGX's can be had for $389 from www.p-s-t.com

The GC camber/caster plates are mounted on top of the strut towers, thereby moving the top suspension mounting point by 0.5-0.75", thus giving you some extra suspension travel. With that, you can probably drop the car about 2" without too much trouble. But if you want shortened struts, don't get the KYB's. They are not shortened. You'll have to go with the Motivational coilover kit. The Motivational kit does not come with the GC camber/caster plates, but the plates can be made to work with that kit. The full Motivational kit (including shortened struts, springs, everything ready to just bolt-in to the car) will be around $1400 + the camber/caster plates at $350. So, you'll be paying about $~600 more than if you just bought Ground Control coilovers and camber/caster plates with KYB AGX struts. You make the call...



--ATP

SO IF I GET THE KYB AGX'S I WILL BE ABLE TO DROP IT 2"INCHES?THANKS OF COURSE I HAVE TO GET THE CAMBER CASTER KIT TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN! the motivationals don't come with a camber caster? for 1600 dollars you think they would include this.

Stock Springs-stock struts. I am going GC's-AGX's or Hypercoil 300f 200r-AGX's if hypercoil decides to make the springs.


Darren