: brakes bleed but stull mushy.
shotgunsean76 03-15-2006, 03:30 PM I did bleed brakes on my NX but it still takes two pushes of the brake pedal to build up preasure. Did I do something wrong....... I know it was done correctly and I never let air get in it and ran all the old fluid out. My only thought is that there is something that has to be done to the abs to take care of this. any thoughts?
spdracerUT 03-15-2006, 03:41 PM try bleeding the master cylinder
shotgunsean76 03-15-2006, 03:42 PM where is that bleeder (incase its not aparent as hell)
420sxDET 03-15-2006, 03:46 PM Make sure you bleed from the caliper furthest to the master cyl, then work your way to the closest. SO trace your brake lines and start from the furthest caliper. Eventually, last but not least, MC
districtborn19 03-15-2006, 03:49 PM do you let your brake pedal go to the floor when you bled them? If so use something to prop up the pedal, that will also keep the air out.
420sxDET 03-15-2006, 06:07 PM do you let your brake pedal go to the floor when you bled them? If so use something to prop up the pedal, that will also keep the air out.
As the person sitting in the car and stepping on the wheel, YES of couirse , u push on it untill the guy opening and closing the bleeder closes the bleeder and tells u it is safe to pump again. Here are a few tips
#1 never let teh master cyl resivior get empty during the process or else u will have to rebleed all 4
#2 start from caliper furthest from master cyl, so trace your brake lines and start at the furthest caliper.
Here is how u do it:
#1 have someone pump 3-4 times and hold the pedal down. Tell the guy at the caliper u are "holding"
#2 The guy at the caliper undoes the bleeder and watches the fluid come out. He should close the bleeder before the pressure is all gone. The guy sitting in the car must still always keep his foot down! Letting foot off or pumping before told, will let a bunch of air in the system.
#3 caliper guy lets the guy sitting in the car know the bleeder is fully closed.
#4 repeat
Check for leaks, if u did it properly and the pedal still feels mushy, check for external visual leaks. If there are no visual leaks, there could b internal seal leaks in the other parts
Jaketips42 03-15-2006, 06:13 PM Did everyone miss that he has ABS? There is a different way to bleed ABS brakes you know. Sometimes it involves using a scantool. Probably the Consult I would imagine to accuate the solenoids. This is another reason why I avoid buying ABS equipped vehicles. :)
GBredline 03-15-2006, 06:52 PM Did everyone miss that he has ABS? There is a different way to bleed ABS brakes you know. Sometimes it involves using a scantool. Probably the Consult I would imagine to accuate the solenoids. This is another reason why I avoid buying ABS equipped vehicles. :)
wont make a difference if it is abs... he just needs to follow thoose steps above its not that hard
shotgunsean76 03-15-2006, 09:25 PM I did everything like everyone said just didn't know about the master cylinder needing bleed. Also the fluid in it was pretty nasty orangish color and I made sure not to let the the res. get empty but I bleed till the new fluid was at every valve. So hopefully it is just the master cylinder. If anyone else has any ideas that would be great otherwise Ill bleed the master cylinder tomorow. Thanks to all!!!
sonny 03-15-2006, 11:10 PM wont make a difference if it is abs... he just needs to follow thoose steps above its not that hard
Yep, bleeding is the same. Just gota be careful when uncompressing the piston, as not to let fluid go into the ABS controller.
SUPER"FAKA"MAN 03-16-2006, 01:29 AM I did everything like everyone said just didn't know about the master cylinder needing bleed. Also the fluid in it was pretty nasty orangish color and I made sure not to let the the res. get empty but I bleed till the new fluid was at every valve. So hopefully it is just the master cylinder. If anyone else has any ideas that would be great otherwise Ill bleed the master cylinder tomorow. Thanks to all!!!
Let us know how the re-bleeding went and if that didn't work. Try bleeding the MC like suggested and if that doesn't work, then you might need a new MC?!
420sxDET 03-16-2006, 01:30 AM Did everyone miss that he has ABS? There is a different way to bleed ABS brakes you know. Sometimes it involves using a scantool. Probably the Consult I would imagine to accuate the solenoids. This is another reason why I avoid buying ABS equipped vehicles. :)
Even if what u say is true, he did say he had a mushy pedal. I have never heard of this scantool method.
shotgunsean76 03-16-2006, 07:22 AM Not really mushy (sorry) jsut every single time its pushed it takes at least 2 time to build up preasure. the first time it goes right to the floor and doesn't slow the car down the secound time it slows the car down and if I do it a third time it will lock the brakes. Bleeding the MC tonight though. I'll let you know.
tincanrace92ser 03-16-2006, 08:14 AM I know that I had to bleed through my brakes like 3 times with quite a bit of fluid through before my pedal came back.... there was apparently a lot of air in the system. It does sound like you put a lot of fluid through though. That is my only advice and you have probably done that.
eric96ser 03-16-2006, 09:37 AM If you don't bleed the system in the correct order, the pedal will be soft. Going from the furthest to the closest, is good for changing the fluid, but not for bleeding. For the B13, the order is LR, RF, RR, LF. Try bleeding in that order, and not pushing the pedal all the way to the floor, and not too quick. I use clear hose, so you can see the air in the lines. My wife helps me bleed them, and all the cars we have done, have been perfect. I have her pump the brakes a few times, and hold it. With the clear hose attached, I open the bleed screw. With it still open, I have her pump the brakes. You will see the fluid come out, and any air bubbles. Once the fluid is clean, I have her hold the brakes while I close the bleed screw.
The fluid in the hose keeps air from entering the system with the bleed screw open. Make sure the MC doesn't empty and you will be good.
91 Talon 03-16-2006, 09:54 AM Try getting some speed bleeders.
TurboTank 03-16-2006, 10:52 AM step 1. bring car to me
step 2. watch me use air powerd speed bleeder.
420sxDET 03-16-2006, 03:45 PM step 1. bring car to me
step 2. watch me use air powerd speed bleeder.
All those devices are good, especially for changing fluid, but I sitll always do it by hand as the last step
shotgunsean76 03-16-2006, 08:28 PM OK OK is there realy any reason (other than making sure that you get all the fluid out) to bleed in that order? I mean really doesn't it all do the same thing...... I think the only reason for doing the one furthest away first is to make sure that all the lines get the old fluid out of them and there is really no drawback IE fluid backs up into lines.... air is introduced... ect. to bleed in any specific order. In my case It was really easy to make sure that all the old fluid was out. Or am I wrong... I would just like to know once and for all because none of the haynes manuals I have say anything about it and the few nissan manuals appear to say doing that is BEST but not a must. Just curious Also when ever someone gets a carcked brake line they JUST bleed that one line or am I mistaken and everyone rolls through each and every one?
eric96ser 03-16-2006, 08:30 PM I've bled my brakes using the furthest to closest, and they felt soft. After using the correct order, they were rock solid.
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