I think it's because the fuel system was completely depressurized but I'm not sure.

The car turns over like it's out of gas and I've turned it over a lot tonight to try to get it to start.

The injectors have new o-rings and I "cut" the pintle caps off of my stock injectors and snapped them onto the 370cc injectors (They should be secure, they weren't easy to get on even with the cut on the side).

When I first took the injectors out the other day I didn't undo the fuel cap or anything so I lost a lot of fuel on my driveway. I did the regular run-the-engine-pull-the-pump-fuse deal.

My question then is, is there some way I can prime the system? This is my first time swapping injectors and I left the system open for an entire week while the 370s were getting cleaned at RCE.

Did you make sure you got the fuel lines back on in the correct place? I don't have a high port car handy to take a picture. You did put the fule pump fuse back in, right ;) That's all I can think of now.

yeah, the fuse is in...

I pulled the fuel filter and I'm definitely getting fuel to the rail (a little spilled out of the top of the filter when I pulled the hose).

So, I pulled the plugs. They were tough to get out. I suspect them a bit because when I turned it over the first couple of times last night it was very rough (probably because there wasn't any fuel in the rail or filter... it had to pump fresh gas all the way from the tank). The first 2 plugs from left to right looked "burnt" like carbon and rust on the electrodes. I'm going to try new plugs to see what happens.

Hopefully nothing is messed up. Basically the car turns over but won't fire. It's getting fuel. I'm lost! Please Help!

this sounds like what happened to me when i put the fuel lines on the rail backwards. Did you make sure that this are on the right place. The fuel line from the filter goes to the botton, not the fuel pressure regulator.

Bryan

yeah, I didn't pull the rail. I only pulled the line going from the filter to the rail.

I've got some cheapo plugs that I'm going to try now... just to make sure that I didn't foul the other set (I'm thinking that that would not be it but I'm just ruling one other variable out).

btw: thanks for all the replies thus far. You guys are helping me keep my head on straight (and helping me retain some of my hair).

I've heard more than once, that when you have this problem, you need to hold the gas pedal to the floor for while cranking. I know, I know, it's not an old carbureted car, and I'm not sure why it works, just try it ;)

Chris

ok, it's still not starting. I replaced the plugs and cleaned the wires.

When it's turning over, it's making a funny "hiccup" noise. Like, it'll turn over like it's out of gas then "hiccup" almost like it's out of air or something. It's very hard to describe unless you've experienced it before... has anyone?

Jason--

Call me crazy, but check the little things:

-Coil connected to distributor? (I've done that one a few times)
-Coil wire connected? (Again...)
-The transistor thingy that connects to the coil...connected?
-Injectors hooked up to right connectors on the harness? (Hard to do, I know.)
-Fuel pump: Do you hear it building up pressure when you turn the key?


Those are the little things I can think of. Just throwing out some ideas.

no, Greg, you aren't crazy... these are good checks.

-The Fuel Pump comes on and I can hear it building pressure.
-I pulled the hose off of the filter and sure enough there's fuel making it to the rail.
-Checked the coil and pulled all wires, cleaned them, and replaced them.
-Wires are properly distributed from the coil to proper cylinder.

Now, what do you mean by "injectors hooked up to right connectors on the harness"? Here's what I did injector-wise:

1. Pulled the old ones a week ago and had them sit in the rail loosely.
2. Finally got my 370s back from cleaning (and I'm still pissed *** they promised new rings and pintle caps but I didn't get any).
3. Swapped the ECU.
4. Cut the pintle caps off of the 259s.
5. Put the small o-rings onto the 370s with a light coat of motor oil.
6. Put the cut pintle caps onto the 370s to hold that small o-ring on.
7. Put the large o-rings on with a light coat of motor oil.
8. Set each injector in the rail.
9. Put each cap onto each injector and used the screws to tighten and simultaneously push each injector into the rail. I tightened each screw 1 turn at a time so that it would progress evenly.
10. Snapped each harness plug onto each injector and checked the connections. One of my plugs has a broken holder but it stays put pretty well for now. I'm going to replace it soon because I'm sure hard twisting of the engine could work it loose.

The wiring harness is in kind of ill condition. Is it expensive to replace? How difficult is it to replace? Maybe that's the source of the problem? I remember that when I pulled the #4 injector, the plug stretched the wiring a bit. I didn't feel good about that.

Check if u bend the Fuel line on the rail, that might be the problem.

What ECU did u get??????? Is it the 100shot NOS program ECU

When i install my 370cc and JWT 100shot program ecu, i have no problem with it.

If u wanna test it, pull the fuelrail out and connect everything and put your key to ignition position and see if anything comes out.

Well, the injectors connect to the harness by those snap-on connectors. They're so far spaced out on the harness that it would take some pretty solid monkey work to get them turned around...

The problem is either fuel or fire, Jason. You've verified that you're getting fuel....so fire is the next step. That's why I suggested all those things with the distributor/coil. I've left off one of the few connectors there before, and it befuddled me until I discovered my negligence.

I wish I had other suggestions, but I'm drawing a blank here... :(

-GP-

Since I've flooded my car(s) a few times, maybe try this...

1 - check dipstick for gas smell
2 - pull fuel pump fuse, fully depress the gas pedal and crank
The car might start and run - then die - if so crank again
3 - replace fuse and see if it starts...


last ditch effort there....

Probably a final thing - where did the ECU come from - is it the correct ecu?

Chris

Might want to take the fuel rail out, with the harness still connected and the fuel lines still connected (just unbolt the rail from the intake manifold) then turn the ignition on and see if the injectors are leaking.

I say this because I had one hell of a time getting a set of injectors to seal once.

HTH
david lau

okay, i'm going to try pulling the rail and see what happens...

OKAY, so here's why the car wouldn't start:

Gasoline got below the cylinders and into the oil when I jacked the right side of the car up. That's it! All we had to do was change the oil and the car started right up! Who knew?

btw, the gas got down there because I was a dumbass and jacked the right side of the car up to put something under it since fuel was still dripping out... since the fuel system wasn't under pressure, the gas was able to work its way down there when I tilted the car...

I have definitely learned a lot lately...

Hmm,

Interesting. But why would the car not start from having fuel mixed in with oil?

-saaby

I don't really know. I do know that it was hard to turn over at first like the fuel was locking the bottoms of the cylinders. Now that the oil is changed, it runs great!