Effective immediately, posting only to tell someone to search is not allowed. Leave that to moderators. Posting nothing is better than what comes of telling people to search.

If you want to post something pointing a person in the right direction, that is one thing, but attacking/posting to tell someone to search is no longer tolerated. It is better to post nothing at all.

I invite you to police yourselves since moderators can't be everywhere. Report any posts that break this rule. An upcoming revision to the rules of the forum will reflect this change.

AMEN!!

down with the search nazi's!!!

It's about frick'n time! Thanks man, this just made my chitty day a lot brighter!


BTW, what took so long on this rule to finally come around?

I've been biting my tongue for a while... damn

I don't like this rule and here's why:

People need to learn to search.

Posting topics that have already been discussed WITHOUT searching is a waste of forum space and attention given to others who have searched and not found a sollution.

Not searching pollutes the boards and wastes members time.

I agree that telling someone they are a "n00b" and to search is not right and should be avoided.

But a simple "Hey man, search for this topic it's been discussed a lot in the past" should be allowed and IMO even encouraged.

This also might be a bandage on a huge wound. Possibly instead of implementing this rule, the forum focus on putting together a collective FAQ for members that provides them links to posts on highly discussed topics...having something like that would be much more productive.

-G

I don't like this rule and here's why:

People need to learn to search.

Posting topics that have already been discussed WITHOUT searching is a waste of forum space and attention given to others who have searched and not found a sollution.

Not searching pollutes the boards and wastes members time.

I agree that telling someone they are a "n00b" and to search is not right and should be avoided.

But a simple "Hey man, search for this topic it's been discussed a lot in the past" should be allowed and IMO even encouraged.

This also might be a bandage on a huge wound. Possibly instead of implementing this rule, the forum focus on putting together a collective FAQ for members that provides them links to posts on highly discussed topics...having something like that would be much more productive.

-G

Obviously you are allowed to state your opinion, as that's what discussion forums are for. Unfortunately for you, what we think doesn't matter, since this isn't a democracy.

It's a rule. I'm in favor. Wether I was or wasn't, wouldn't matter, because it's "the law."

Thank goodness:biggthump

Thank you.:biggthump

yes i can see a way of change in the search nazis so i dont think the problem is as bad as it was with se_r or whatever the sn was but thanks otherwise it needs to be productive

like shawns search noob post he always sends people to a starting point on fiding info

Effective immediately, posting only to tell someone to search is not allowed. Leave that to moderators. Posting nothing is better than what comes of telling people to search.

If you want to post something pointing a person in the right direction, that is one thing, but attacking/posting to tell someone to search is no longer tolerated. It is better to post nothing at all.

I invite you to police yourselves since moderators can't be everywhere. Report any posts that break this rule. An upcoming revision to the rules of the forum will reflect this change.
No problems. I never post with the sole intention of telling folks to search. That would be pointless.

I'd rather help them to learn the ropes. Answer the question, and take it one step further to show them how to get their own answers. Teach them to fish, don't just hand them a fish.

So, if the post is obviously un-searched, can we report it for a mod to actually suggest the search? Not necessarily with a newb, but with a stubborn non-searching entity. Report and a mod will jump on it?

Possibly instead of implementing this rule, the forum focus on putting together a collective FAQ for members that provides them links to posts on highly discussed topics...having something like that would be much more productive.
Yeah. Maybe a few big-ass threads on specific common topics. We could make it a sticky. That might cut down on redundant threads. ;)

No problems. I never post with the sole intention of telling folks to search. That would be pointless.

I'd rather help them to learn the ropes. Answer the question, and take it one step further to show them how to get their own answers. Teach them to fish, don't just hand them a fish.

So, if the post is obviously un-searched, can we report it for a mod to actually suggest the search? Not necessarily with a newb, but with a stubborn non-searching entity. Report and a mod will jump on it?


Yeah. Maybe a few big-ass threads on specific common topics. We could make it a sticky. That might cut down on redundant threads. ;)
I was under the impression that our Tech Info library was supposed to fulfill this purpose, and that each individual forum tends to have the most relavent stickies already there.

Not saying your idea is bad, this was just my impression of the site.

I was under the impression that our Tech Info library was supposed to fulfill this purpose, and that each individual forum tends to have the most relavent stickies already there..
I was joking, I already acted on that idea. The B13 Suspension thread......;)

However, "Motor, Tranny, Engine Mounts" could be next. Stay tuned.

I was under the impression that our Tech Info library was supposed to fulfill this purpose, and that each individual forum tends to have the most relavent stickies already there.

Not saying your idea is bad, this was just my impression of the site.

My idea consisted of a FAQ with links to such posts that can be found in the tech info library and throughout the whole forum.

Eventhough there are a lot of relevant posts in the tech info library, a lot of people still ask questions that can be answered if they went there first. Which supports the fact that a lot of people new to the boards don't know how to search or where to find information that is on the boards. A FAQ would be a map to the answers they are looking for.

Basically something very similar to what the G20 forums have: http://www.g20.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13472

I could actually start making one, but would need as many people as possible to help me put it together. I can start a post and keep editing it until it is completed. People can search out topics and I'll copy and paste what they find into the main post.

-G

My idea consisted of a FAQ with links to such posts that can be found in the tech info library and throughout the whole forum.

Eventhough there are a lot of relevant posts in the tech info library, a lot of people still ask questions that can be answered if they went there first. Which supports the fact that a lot of people new to the boards don't know how to search or where to find information that is on the boards. A FAQ would be a map to the answers they are looking for.

Basically something very similar to what the G20 forums have: http://www.g20.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13472

I could actually start making one, but would need as many people as possible to help me put it together. I can start a post and keep editing it until it is completed. People can search out topics and I'll copy and paste what they find into the main post.

-G
I'll try and help out.

maybe somehow when a "n00b" signs up here to this forum, they get directed directly to the search engine, or the rules and regulations of the forum. or something to that effect....so they get the idea to search.

Its about time.

maybe somehow when a "n00b" signs up here to this forum, they get directed directly to the search engine, or the rules and regulations of the forum. or something to that effect....so they get the idea to search.This is a good suggestion! However, does this forum software have a module for something like this? IF it does, it would be great to enable it! Wait! maybe I should have did a search on this topic........:rofl:

Same issue over on g20.net, New people don't know understand the search function. Maybe at least a sticky explaining how to 'word' searches might help? I know it's the 21st century but there are still those who act like it's the 20th........:rofl:

BTW, what took so long on this rule to finally come around?
Because I have been slacking in my duties running this site for the last few months. It has come up before but I have only now finally kicked myself in the ass to get going.

People need to learn to search.
Yes they do, but constantly posting that people need to search does not help!

Posting topics that have already been discussed WITHOUT searching is a waste of forum space and attention given to others who have searched and not found a sollution.
You can't stop people from doing this, you can only help reduce the number of them. Only now am I finally taking more steps to help the problem.

Not searching pollutes the boards and wastes members time.
No one posting in this thread will disagree with you, that is what I'm trying to improve.

But a simple "Hey man, search for this topic it's been discussed a lot in the past" should be allowed and IMO even encouraged.
If you read what I posted in the first post:
If you want to post something pointing a person in the right direction, that is one thing, but attacking/posting to tell someone to search is no longer tolerated. It is better to post nothing at all.
What I'm trying to eliminate/reduce significantly are the angry back-and-forth fights that come from telling people to search. If you want to put someone on the right path by offering helpful suggestions, posting some links, and telling them to poke around some more to find what they're looking for- I most certainly encourage that! I just don't want people posting solely to say "search!" It's confrontational (even if not on purpose) and doesn't help anything.

Possibly instead of implementing this rule, the forum focus on putting together a collective FAQ for members that provides them links to posts on highly discussed topics...having something like that would be much more productive.
This is a great idea.

I could actually start making one, but would need as many people as possible to help me put it together. I can start a post and keep editing it until it is completed. People can search out topics and I'll copy and paste what they find into the main post.
If you want to really start on something similar to the thread you linked on G20.net, I'm all for it! I will help in any way I can. I'll make it a sticky. This should be a community effort so start with an outline and a few basic ideas and run with it. Perhaps start by separating it by NA/VVL/Turbo. Once you get some content/links, break it down further. This would be really helpful and would make a great item for the tech info library, which I want to work on expanding as well. I can't do everything to improve this site and will do anything in my power to help the community help itself.

No problems. I never post with the sole intention of telling folks to search. That would be pointless. I'd rather help them to learn the ropes. Answer the question, and take it one step further to show them how to get their own answers.
Yes, but you can get pretty aggressive with people. If someone makes a wise-ass remark, you reply in kind. I don't blame you at all, but you shouldn't waste your time. If people don't want to help themselves first, they don't deserve the help of others, either. You're a champion post reporter, so just report those idiots and let us do the dirty work.

So, if the post is obviously un-searched, can we report it for a mod to actually suggest the search? Not necessarily with a newb, but with a stubborn non-searching entity. Report and a mod will jump on it?
Absolutely, to the best of our ability. Just don't expect an instant response or even any action to be taken at all. I would much rather see closed thread than just another pointless argument.

maybe somehow when a "n00b" signs up here to this forum, they get directed directly to the search engine, or the rules and regulations of the forum. or something to that effect....so they get the idea to search.
Instead of that, how about a search reminder at the top of the "new thread" page? There is a site I'm on which has a search reminder at the top of the page when you try to create a new thread. It even has a search form right there, as well. I think that would be useful for *everyone* to see.


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The point of all this is to make the forum a better place to be for everyone. As I've always said, I can't make everyone happy but hopefully I can make it a more enjoyable experience for most people to be here.

no doubt matt....keep up the great work!!!

where is this "info" thread going to be located for a collective info gathering?