How many people here got there swap done a Sleeper Motorsports in San Bernandino. This maybe kind of important to to you and the life of your tranny. I am going to share with you what I have wittnessed because they asked for it, your work looks very unexperienced (Sleeper Motorsports) your swaps look messy, like if you were in a big rush if I were you I'd clean up my act because from what I've seen I'd honestly be embarrassed to stand by my work and I can just imagine based of these examples all the people out there that are not that mechanically inclined you take advantage of and don't know any better and don't know what to look for. I'll tell you what if you did that to me I'd be very pissed (you didn't but I still am) your swaps again are very rushed looking from I've seen using zip ties and swaping parts that aren't yours to begin with not installing the front dog bone because it's to much of a hassle if they have the turbo outlet facing down, you should put more pride in your work bro and you should be responsible for the broken trannys you cause by not installing the front dog that is stupid (I'm sorry but it is), I thought you guys knew your shit but, you haven't convenced me yeat, how about practicing a little more attention to detail. Believe me theres more stuff wrong than this. I'm madd because I meet a few people that got there swaps done there and they are straight up cool people that don't deserve this kind of work for the money they paid. I just can't get over the fact a buisness does this kind of work and charges that much money and puts out IMHO poor quality work, I don't own a buisness but if I did my paying customer and my name and pride and quality of work would come first instead of just trying to make a quike buck.

Respectfully,
Charlie

well, thats not very nice.

why dont you explain what they did, exactly, without throwing insults? it hurts my head trying to decipher what it is that you wrote there.

Example 1: A front mount Avenir SR20DET.
They left out the front motor mount dog bone because it would have probable been to time consuming I guess to make it fit. They made a nasty cut into the crossmember so that the turbo outlet pipe would fit (the stock elbow that comes off the compressor housing) clearly weakening the crossmember right there. They did not wire a resistor on the EGT sensor or connect it to the exhaust in anyway. They swaped the original fuel rail off the Avenir probably because it was damn pretty (thing was brand new) and put on a dirty ass one. Swaped the Avenir MAF in place of the orginal one anyone that knows, know the Avenir MAF can meter more air than a BB one can it is the same MAF as the GTi-R. A few other things like missing bolts here and there. etc, etc, just really ugly.

Example 2: A top mount U12 Bluebird SR20DET.
Just ugly let me tell you that. Missing nut and bolts and more nut and bolts and brackets and brackets, I said to myself god damn what happened here. And there was no need for it to be missing the front dog but it was I said damn I can see why maybe they left it out on the FMIC setup but a top mount IC there is no reason for that just plain sloppyness. Oh and they used a valve stem seal for a valve cover bolt (what the hell). Oh and bolts were backing out of the turbo to like they were not tightened properly. Oh and they left the EGT sensor on this car but it was just hanging there and did not have a resistor wired on to it or route it into the exhaust system. Oh yeah the TMIC was just laying on top the valve cover staying in place with zip ties can you believe that zip ties (what the hell) they didn't use any of the BB IC brackets to secure the TMIC and don't tell me it dosen't fit because it does all day long with the brackets. There are more other things, etc,etc. Oh they switch the valve cover and gave him one with more miles on it.

thanks for the retype, this will be most helpful to others who may goto sleeper in the future.

that is pretty whack.

i have the avenir T25, and i just made a new outlet pipe, so that it cleared the crossmember AND the radiator.

the front motor mount situation simply requires a simple compression of the compressor snap ring and turning the housing all of .25" upwards, how lazy is that?

damn ill be sure not ot mess with them.... scru all that...

You have any photos to prove these monstrosities or are we suppose to take your word for it? How about some photos of your work as well ;)

Originally posted by charlie2020
How many people here got there swap done a Sleeper Motorsports in San Bernandino. This maybe kind of important to to you and the life of your tranny. No you know what, I am going to talk shit because they asked for it, your work fuckin sucks your swaps look like ass, hell they smell like ass, like a fuckin tornando hit'em if I were you I'd be fuckin imbarrassed to stand by my work let alone claim it and just to imagine all the people out there that are not that mechanically inclined you take advantage of I'll tell you what your lucky you didn't do that shit to me, your swaps suck ass from I've seen using zip ties and shit swaping parts that aren't yours to begin with not installing the front dog bone because it's to much of a hassle if they have the turbo outlet facing down, your lazzy bro and you should be responsible for the broken trannys you cause by doing that stupid shit, what are you smoking retaaaaard I thought you knew your shit but, how about practicing a little attention to detail. Believe me theres more shit wrong than this. Don't think I'm madd because he did this to me I do my own swaps, I'm madd because I meet a few people that got there swaps done there. I just can't get over the fact he owns a buisness and he does this kind of work, I don't own a buisness but my work would run circles around that monkey shit you do.

VERY RESPECTFULLY
HA HA HA

Of course I do I just have to figure out how to down load it from a digital camera and believe me they'll be posted. I'll post some picks of a swap I am currently working on.

I could type all day long but I hate doin this shit over the internet. Come on down to the shop and talk to me I worked on the Red car ur talkin about. That motor came to the shop in 1000 parts and had to be put back together, but thats besides the point. Now ur shitting on my face saying that bolts were backing off? Come down to the shop monday and don't bitch out. I would rather talk to u face to face than over the internet like some fukin punk who comes on a public forum and starts to flame. EGT? do u mean EGR sensor?

:confused: why are you complaining on here? do you think talking crap on a forum is going to get you anywhere? dont you think that if there really was a problem you would go to them first? well i would...but thats just me...

Originally posted by Yellow4g63
I could type all day long but I hate doin this shit over the internet. Come on down to the shop and talk to me I worked on the Red car ur talkin about. That motor came to the shop in 1000 parts and had to be put back together, but thats besides the point. Now ur shitting on my face saying that bolts were backing off? Come down to the shop monday and don't bitch out. I would rather talk to u face to face than over the internet like some fukin punk who comes on a public forum and starts to flame. EGT? do u mean EGR sensor?

A homeboy I just call it like I see it, and if you can't handle it don't do work like that and watch yourself before you bite off more than you can chew PUNK (know I'm a pretty cool guy here, at least I like to think that, I do alot of favors for people in this community for free or really cheap). Are you trying to call me out U don't even know me and you live so close. Look if I offended you personally I appologize but basically I was putting down the work of Sleeper Motorsports. But if its gonna make you feel better we can gettin up, don't trip I'm right here in your back yard and then maybe I can show you a thing or two about swaps (No disrespect intended). Oh and I do mean EGT not EGR I'm talking about the Exhaust Gas Tempature Sensor........Of course there is not going to be a EGR Valve it's a SR20DET you just left it hanging there you didn'y even try to wire in a resistor or attach it to the exhaust system so it wouldn't throw a code, on both of the car I am talking about had the same problem code 32. How about I
bring the owner to you so he can tell you what a fucked up job it was, it ain't my car but I'm just looking out for anyone who want to get a swap done SLEEPER MOTORSPORTS to be careful. If you did good wotk I would recommend you but that not what I seen. Obviously you know your work because you posted that you did the work unless someone is trying to hide behind you. Both cars did not have fron't dog bones either, you get madd engine movement without it, even a new stock factory dog bone is worth replaceing because it has so much slop in it, let alone not even haveing one in there, come on thats uncalled for and dangerous.
CHECK YOUR PM

The exhaust housing (OUTLET) on the turbo was loose there was a bolt backed out about a 1/4 inch or more. And there was a valve stem seal used as a bolt on the valve cover. There was a zip tie holding the intercooler piping (the big flat part that goes over the valve cover) I will give you this though you may have been given it in lots of pieces but there is still no excuss for most of it. Sorry bro I would have told him to come back when he got it together if that was the case.

hey peeps
all those interested in pics continue to check back
i am in the process of putting the web page and hosting the pics of the atrostities commited by Sleepers

peace
lamar
should be up no later than 6-17-2
with link

Like I said come down to the shop and Talk to me I'm not goin to type a long flame war over the internet like some fukin punk. Shit gets old real quick.

Originally posted by charlie2020


A homeboy I just call it like I see it, and if you can't handle it don't do work like that and watch yourself before you bite off more than you can chew PUNK (know I'm a pretty cool guy here, at least I like to think that, I do alot of favors for people in this community for free or really cheap). Are you trying to call me out U don't even know me and you live so close. Look if I offended you personally I appologize but basically I was putting down the work of Sleeper Motorsports. But if its gonna make you feel better we can gettin up, don't trip I'm right here in your back yard and then maybe I can show you a thing or two about swaps (No disrespect intended). Oh and I do mean EGT not EGR I'm talking about the Exhaust Gas Tempature Sensor........Of course there is not going to be a EGR Valve it's a SR20DET you just left it hanging there you didn'y even try to wire in a resistor or attach it to the exhaust system so it wouldn't throw a code, on both of the car I am talking about had the same problem code 32. How about I
bring the owner to you so he can tell you what a fucked up job it was, it ain't my car but I'm just looking out for anyone who want to get a swap done SLEEPER MOTORSPORTS to be careful. If you did good wotk I would recommend you but that not what I seen. Obviously you know your work because you posted that you did the work unless someone is trying to hide behind you. Both cars did not have fron't dog bones either, you get madd engine movement without it, even a new stock factory dog bone is worth replaceing because it has so much slop in it, let alone not even haveing one in there, come on thats uncalled for and dangerous.
CHECK YOUR PM

The exhaust housing (OUTLET) on the turbo was loose there was a bolt backed out about a 1/4 inch or more. And there was a valve stem seal used as a bolt on the valve cover. There was a zip tie holding the intercooler piping (the big flat part that goes over the valve cover) I will give you this though you may have been given it in lots of pieces but there is still no excuss for most of it. Sorry bro I would have told him to come back when he got it together if that was the case.

charlie2020,

I would really appreciate it if you would read over what you have written, think for a minute, and then try to put yourself in the shoes of someone who doesn't know you and has never met you. Ask yourself, do you look like a calm, rational, believable guy, or do you look like a hothead who is not to be believed and trusted.

I have had some personal issues with some of the people who claim to be affiliated with Sleeper. However, that does not mean that it is OK to come here and post all kinds of inflammatories and expletives. Your behavior is very provocative and unprofessional, and it not needed or appreciated here.

If Sleeper has indeed messed up work on your car, or on a friend's car, then I suggest you take it up with them first, and try to get the situation resolved. If you do not make any progress there, then by all means I and I'm sure many others on this forum want to hear about what happened. If any company is engaging in dishonest business practise, then letting the members of this forum know will be appreciated.

However, you have to understand that in order to get any kind of fair hearing at all, you have to present yourself in a professional light. If you just come on here and swear and rant, people will think you are a nut job. If there are problems, then please just come on here and tell the facts clearly and rationally, and I'm sure that people will listen to you.

In the mean time, I have a request to make of you: please go back and edit your posts. Please think clearly about what you want to say, and express yourself without starting a fight. I would really appreciate it if you would edit out some of the name calling and swearing in your post. Then, if you want to post up some pictures, etc of the problems you are having, you are more than welcome to do so.

If you are unwilling to pursue this matter in a rational and professional manner, then I will have no choice but to decide that your allegations are without merrit, and I will delete this thread.

This forum is a place for free exchange of ideas, not a place to attack other people. If you have been wronged, your experience is welcome. But, you must remain level-headed, and you can't use this forum as a place to attack others.

Rob

I agree...let's see some proof of this. And if it is the case, that is pretty messed up.. I hate shops that do things like this. I had a guy that contacted me asking for some help with his B14 a few days ago. I can't remember his name... but he said that some place called Sleeper Motorsports had done his turbo. He said that they screwed him over on all sorts of shit. He bought a DET to have swapped in. They told him that he needed all these parts to make it work... when in fact they could have used the factory stuff. I asked him what they did with all of his factory stuff and he told me that he realy didn't know.. he just assumed that it was bad and let them have it. Said they tuned it with an Apexi Super AFC and a regulator. But from what he told me that they charged him.... it sounds like he should have had a JWT ECU, injectors and MAF too. And the other thing is he said that it runs like shit and smokes a lot under boost. They didn't even get on a dyno with it to do any tuning. He said that his engine was covered in black stuff from the open wastegate under the hood. I won't say the amount he told me because this is just me $.02 and I'm passing on info from what I've heard from a customer. Don't get mad at me for this.... If you do shady shit then you deserve to be called on it.
Travis

Originally posted by unlucky
I'm passing on info from what I've heard from a customer. Don't get mad at me for this.... If you do shady shit then you deserve to be called on it.
Travis

Exactly, eventually it will come back on you SM.
Charlie

You know what, I had my motor swap done by Brian at sleeper, and he did a great job on it. Nice and clean. I've also seen other swaps preformed by him and they all came out nice. So I would like to see pictures of these atrosities you have been stating.

Sorry bro... I dont' have any pictures.. I don't even remember the guy's name. But I wouldn't be saying this for nothing. I don't even know these guys so I have nothing against them.. Just stating what a customer told me.
Travis

Travis, I wasn't refering to you, I was refering to the other cat who produced these charges.

Originally posted by unlucky
Sorry bro... I dont' have any pictures.. I don't even remember the guy's name. But I wouldn't be saying this for nothing. I don't even know these guys so I have nothing against them.. Just stating what a customer told me.
Travis

Originally posted by Marzon18
hey peeps
all those interested in pics continue to check back
i am in the process of putting the web page and hosting the pics of the atrostities commited by Sleepers

peace
lamar
should be up no later than 6-17-2
with link

They should be up soon.

Charlie

Originally posted by PSSSHHHGOESMYSR20
Travis, I wasn't refering to you, I was refering to the other cat who produced these charges.


oh...sorry.. :)