I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THAT any of you guys run with a haltech. and do apexi makes a power fc for the bb det? i know they make one for the rear wheel drive. i just don't want a slew of guages in my car.


http://www.haltech.com/


http://www.apexi-usa.com/electronics_fc.asp







do it right the first time. spend the money the first time doing it right, or spend the money twice for correcting the first mistake.

YOU telling me that out of all these ser 's everybody goes with
$jim$wolf$ would'nt be more costs effective to by a haltech? when you put modification on the cars after you sent your computer to jim wolf?

LoneWolf Welcome to the forum. The haltech is a good bang for the buck. But most of the people on here don't know how to tune a stand alone or think they want to learn. If it's not plug and play then they say no way.

IT PAYS TO LEARN how you think jim wolf was able to do what he does he learns!!! and i don't think that haltech would sell a product without support. i guess im on my own on this one.
maybe i have to start the bandwagon. once one person starts it and it works well or better than jim wolf. then everybody would jump on. I'LL BE A TREND SETTER HA HA HA HA HA HAH !

Or if something goes wrong "See JWT is the only way" go to the turbo forum and search AFC hahaha u will see it all.

THE way it looks to me is that ser's will be at a lost if JIM WOLF DIES. so i guess i have to learn on my own.

My good friend is running a Haltec system in his Corolla. ( Check the new Sports Compact Car magazine for a 5 page article on his 10 second street car.) It works perfect but it takes alot of time on the dyno to tune it. I guess for the money you spend on a Haltec you can just buy a JWT ECU and plug and play.

THAT is true that you have to spend some time on the dyno. but lets say that you just had a turbo upgrade, new injectors, and pulleys now do i have to send my computer back to jim wolf for all the upgrades that i just put on the car!! if thats the case you just bought yourself a haltech. no matter how many upgrades you will put on your cars the haltech will be there willing and waiting for your input. plus less down time! sers are getting popular now it won't be long till you will be looking at more than a month for just your computer to come back. hey even with the fmax systems you have to send in you computer. and $tillen is just jim wolf in disguise. probably stillen computers will be done before jim wolfs is done (allegely).

it'll be crazy to buy a stand alone and learn how to tune from scratch. maybe after a few blown motors, you will get a tune that will run alright, but JWT's program is top notch. His knowledge in tuning ECU's is better than most other people in the field. Personally i have never seen any standalone program run as smooth a as daily drivable as the JWT ECU programs.

I don't understand what u mean Shoe? If u get a standalone u takin it to the dyno and tune it. If the person who is tuning the car on the dyno blows up your motor then he shouldn't be tuning ur car. a good tuner will get a base map up for you car in less than 10min with a dyno and get the car running like a champ in 1 hour.

This is my idea on the JWT vs. standalone:

If you know what you're doing and want to play with your motor - get a standalone.

If you're lazy and aren't worried about extracting every last hp from your motor - JWT.

Lonewolf - I'm not sure how much tuning knowledge you have or you have access to, but if you're "just learning" then I would go JWT if this is your only car. Why? It's plug and play, it's reliable, and it's safe. However, if this little project of yours is a 2nd car, and you want to play with it and see how far you can go, then standalone all the way. You can't beat the flexibility. However, the chances of blowing your motor are much greater since you have control over engine management and have to compensate for weather and altitude changes.

There's a reason why so many people go JWT over standalone - and that's mainly because many of these people don't want to have to spend an hour (or much more) on a dyno and just enjoy the day-to-day reliability that JWT's comps bring. I'm one of them. ;) But the reliability means conservatism. You won't be as fast as with a guy with a well-tuned standalone. There's some give and take here. You have to figure out what you want and how much you want to play with your motor.

Good luck!

also remember that a haltech can be upwards of 1400 bucks or more, it is very complicated to tune, a lot of people would rather just spent 500 bucks and plug and play, including me but if your building a race car and have lots of money to play with and lots of time on a dyno then I would say go and do it but I don't understand it being more cost effective, It's like 500 for the jim wolf computer and then 100 bucks for a reprogram.
Sean

haltechs start at approx $800 for a basic DFI, fuel injection only, no ignition timing. A stand alone engine management cost $1100, and dont forget all the sensors which will run in the upwards of $2000. On top of that you will have to pay someone with the knowledge to install and tune the car. There is no way to get a car up and running in 10 minutes. The computer comes blank from the factory and you telling me that you can make all the ignition maps, fuel maps and make them work at partial throttle, wide open throttle, and cold start up? As well as the rev limiter, knock sensor, boost controller......and the list goes on...

the down side to the JWT is that you will still have to run a MAF and and cant change the program while you are on the dyno. You gotta ship it back to JWT. For a full race JWT ECU setup, its gonna run over $1000 for everything, cobra MAF and sensors. Dont forget the shipping and $100 per ECU program if u decide to change it.

well probaly 90% of the people here daily drive their car to and from work type things. and there are hardly any stand alones that offer the driveability and durability of daily driving. you are usualy making consessions when putting a stand alone in. in a full race situation i wouldnt think of anything but a stand alone, in a FULL race car. One that will never touch asphalt in a public area and doesnt have anything but race tires on it. getting a car that will allow me to drive from the upper elevations of upper east tn and drive here to nashville and have the same state of tune is what i want, and most all do to. you cant do that in a stand alone car. no matter how much tuneing you do there will always be areas on the fuel map that will be out of tune in different elevations espcialy at part throtle situations. so for the 10% of you that are running cars someplace other than on a street, then go for it. hell id love help install one or tune one but im not going to be putting one on any of my cars till i get that race car that im dieing for

Hey for me it justs comes down to the fact that both Jim Wolf and Clark Steppler know alot more about than me and most of you. I trust them very well in dealing with parts for my car, cause they have the most experience with it. They have been around long enough that they have tried everything and knows what works best.

if you are running a GTIR motor----Link it :D

nobody beats JWT for daily drivability.

well..... We used the AFC on my friends SR20 turbo and it ran like a champ up on till he blew apart 3rd gear tring to race me from a dead stop hahahaha . Hehehe I use one on my car and it runs like champ too.

S -AFC's have their faults too. Any type of device that alters the MAF or MAP signal to tune the fuel curve will have some degree of inaccuracy. When you use a S-AFC or similar product, it alters the voltage coming from the MAF. That in turn gives you a richer or leaner fuel curve, but what most people don't know is that it shifts the fuel curve to a completely different part of the fuel map. Fuel maps are not designed linearly, they are designed progressively, so in other words, using a S-AFC to linearly adjust the fuel curve will always have some points of inaccuracy. i dont know if im typing this clearly, but hopefully you will understand.