: HELP Want a turbo but need to know first steps..
waffleman 10-20-2007, 04:17 PM If someone could help me out here.. I have a 91 NX2k and wanted to do an exhaust intake and turbo!!, but I need to know what kind of system/kit I need to turbo it up, i was told I can't turbo a sr20de cost effectivley, I was told I need to start with a DET instead. I need someone to straighten me out, if anyone can help me out map out or link me to someone who did one that would help me so much!!
Please help!!
thanks.
Ty.
chriscar 10-20-2007, 04:39 PM http://www.sr20forum.com/turbo-guides/
Shawn B 10-20-2007, 05:36 PM http://www.sr20forum.com/turbo-guides/
Let me add to Chriscars fine advice, cause I'm such a helpful bastard. ;)
The very first thing you need to do, is acquire your own education. Then provide a whole lot more details before you post anymore questions of any sort.
Read the thread posted by Chriscar, all the threads, twice.
Next, go buy a book by Corky Bell called "Maximum Boost." Read it. Twice.
What is your budget? Access to tools and a lift? Is this a DD, what is your status for "down time" with the car? Do you have a back-up vehicle? Friends with turbo-knowledge who are willing to help? Are you paying someone for this work?
A couple other threads you should read, they will answer 98% of the rest of your questions:
http://www.sr20forum.com/new-members/149841-search-tips-hjbarker-crew.html
Notice that post #6 will lead you to....drumroll....The Technical Library.
http://www.sr20forum.com/new-members/121247-most-powerful-button-world.html
There ya' go. That should keep you busy for while working on your knowledge level. Knowledge is power my new friend.
Now, leave that damn "Thread Starter" button alone, you currently don't know enough to ask intelligent questions. Forget that thing exists for a while, and use the "SEARCH Button" instead, it is far more helpful than a dozen threads with newbarific and unreSearched questions. Read, read some more, search, search some more. The information is already there, you just need to access it.
Welcome to the forum! :biggthump
UsaPride 10-20-2007, 05:37 PM it is VERY cost effective to turbo a DE lol. a DET..is nice, but if you want to keep with a SR20DE then i'd say go for that. here's a list that was started on my thread of stuff u'd need to turbo the DE
1) BOV of some type (I like Greddy Type S) $100
2) Z32 MAF from me $100
3) Calum burnable chip ECU or JWT (I personally adore Calum so I'm biased) $500
4) Intercooler adequate enough for your power goals $300
5) 370cc fuel injectors @ 4 bar fuel pressure (I have connections for these) part of $580
6) feed lines (some turbos require both oil and water, some just oil) part of $580
7) restrictors per that link you provided $15
8) Drill bits for oil drain $10
9) Tap for oil drain $10
10) fitting for oil drain $10
11) Gauges (typically oil pressure, boost and AEM Uego wideband) boost $60
12) Turbo (T28 is great, if not go with a GT28RS from www.cheapturbo.com) part of $580
13) GTi-R Manifold with J-Pipe part of $580
14) I/C piping kit or custom made piping $100
15) Nismo adjustable FPR (Get this from Greg Vogel at G-Spec) $120
16) Extra vacuum lines $25
17) Clutch to handle power output (I personally like ACT) $300
18) Lightened Flywheel (Fidanza) www.gofastdepot.com $300
19) Red RTV to re-seal oil pans after drilling $5
20) oil pressure sending unit $50
21) rest of oil restrictor $35
22) JWT S4 cams $560
25) malboro 255 fuel pump $80
that's most of it. =] hope that helps bro
jonwepa 10-20-2007, 05:53 PM EDIT.....
sentraturbo 10-20-2007, 06:29 PM it is VERY cost effective to turbo a DE lol. a DET..is nice, but if you want to keep with a SR20DE then i'd say go for that. here's a list that was started on my thread of stuff u'd need to turbo the DE
1) BOV of some type (I like Greddy Type S) $100
2) Z32 MAF from me $100
3) Calum burnable chip ECU or JWT (I personally adore Calum so I'm biased) $500
4) Intercooler adequate enough for your power goals $300
5) 370cc fuel injectors @ 4 bar fuel pressure (I have connections for these) part of $580
6) feed lines (some turbos require both oil and water, some just oil) part of $580
7) restrictors per that link you provided $15
8) Drill bits for oil drain $10
9) Tap for oil drain $10
10) fitting for oil drain $10
11) Gauges (typically oil pressure, boost and AEM Uego wideband) boost $60
12) Turbo (T28 is great, if not go with a GT28RS from www.cheapturbo.com) part of $580
13) GTi-R Manifold with J-Pipe part of $580
14) I/C piping kit or custom made piping $100
15) Nismo adjustable FPR (Get this from Greg Vogel at G-Spec) $120
16) Extra vacuum lines $25
17) Clutch to handle power output (I personally like ACT) $300
18) Lightened Flywheel (Fidanza) www.gofastdepot.com $300
19) Red RTV to re-seal oil pans after drilling $5
20) oil pressure sending unit $50
21) rest of oil restrictor $35
22) JWT S4 cams $560
25) malboro 255 fuel pump $80
that's most of it. =] hope that helps bro
2, 18, and 22 are not necessary. You can use stock.
Turboing the DE is very cost effective, but take into consideration the mileage on your motor. Do a compression check on the current motor.
jonwepa 10-20-2007, 06:59 PM Definitely do a compression check, but if it checks out fine turbo away. I turboed mine with 170,000 miles and am running 10psi daily with no problems. Now I don't beat on it, but do go to the track once every two months sometimes more.
There are also others that have turboed their's with 200,000+. Just be smart and check oil and plugs often.
UsaPride 10-20-2007, 07:53 PM oh yea, 2, 18 & 22 are not necessary. and u can also use a smaller fuel pump but i'd recommend getting a 255 just incase u do more.
but, with the flywheel i'd recommend replacing it since your already going to have the clutch out, no it's not needed..just nice to have ;)
i'd also recommend the Z32 MAF or an upgraded MAF, but, again not needed.
either is the cams..sorry i *** pulled my list of stuff up & posted it haha. forgot i added/upgraded some items ;)
& the restrictors talked about in there, are these:
http://www.sr20forum.com/turbo-guides/89944-long-lost-t25-t28-parts-list-thread.html
i found that very useful..all 4 of those parts. :)
hope that helps some.
94sentraSER 10-20-2007, 09:03 PM Really ?? A lightened FW is recommended with a turbo application ?
I've read a few times on here over the years that it isn't because of how fast the rpms shoot, will never get any traction. hhmm i guess the jury's still out on that one. Thats the whole reason i havent gotten a Fidanza ( IMO prolly one of the best mods to get ) .
It'll slide like a cat on ice with no nails....LOL
fro20 10-20-2007, 09:21 PM Really ?? A lightened FW is recommended with a turbo application ?
I've read a few times on here over the years that it isn't because of how fast the rpms shoot, will never get any traction. hhmm i guess the jury's still out on that one. Thats the whole reason i havent gotten a Fidanza ( IMO prolly one of the best mods to get ) .
It'll slide like a cat on ice with no nails....LOL
Lightened flywheels are good for all cars, except diesels, just not as light on a F/I as N/A. The trick with less rotating mass is to learn to modulate the throttle better, more gently. You cant just rev and drop off the tree, you gotta feather it, and control your right foot with more precision while exiting a corner.
Anyway, the only thing you really need for a bolt on turbo, if cheap is the route you wanna take, is a TMIC/SMIC/FMIC, manifold, t25, injectors, ecu or piggy back and dp to existing exhaust. Should be easy for less then 1500. My buddy has a t25 he will sell you for like $100, stock mani's are easy to find as well as stock dp'd from people that upgraded as well as injectors, the most expensive part is the ecu from JWT/CALUM maybe enthalpy (Im not sure if they do FWD) or piggy back
inj 100
tmic 100
t25 100
mani 100
ecu 500
dp/O2 housing 60
tmic piping should come with tmic from whoever you det it from.
its all used and may not last to long, but it will be CHEAP
Or just get a bb or avenir for 1500 and learn how to swap the motor, easy and tons of info on the net, easy to get the FSM too.
Cliff 10-20-2007, 09:47 PM You need a fledel adapter, some muffler bearings, and some headlight fluid.
Oh yeah, lets not forget your bicycle tires. ;)
Seriously, everyone that has already posted pretty much has it down right. Lets not forget though, that you're going to need a flexible budget, for things that you will likely forget, or break in the process.
UsaPride 10-20-2007, 10:29 PM yea haha. tekkie just went through all this with me =]
i forgot all the clamps & everything i was going to need too. here's how i always do my projects:
take what u think it's gonna cost, double it, and that's probably around what your going to end up spending LOL.
waffleman 10-21-2007, 01:21 AM Thanks to everyone who got back to me, all help is appreciated, could do without all the slamming and sarcasm ***.. Shawn B
GollumSi 10-21-2007, 03:15 AM Thanks to everyone who got back to me, all help is appreciated, could do without all the slamming and sarcasm ***.. Shawn B
Let's think about this a second. If you read all the cool stuff that is in the NEW MEMBERS AREA there is lots of advice about researching before posting redundant and redundant and redundant....sorry I sound like a totally new guy saying the same thing over again. I asked a couple stupid questions when I first got on here and got jacked a bit but that was cause I DIDN'T READ THE NEW MEMBERS AREA VERY WELL FIRST!
If you don't want to get slammed by people READ THE NEW MEMBERS AREA FIRST. I hope that has been said enough now. There is TONS and I mean TONS of info on here and if you just search you will learn to ask better questions. By including the things in your question that are pertinent to the question such as budget, goal and other things like Shawn mentioned the people that you are asking will be better able to assist you. By reading the info in the results from you SEARCHES you may be able to comprise a very smart and important list of questions to ask. I have spent the last couple of months reading everything I can about my car and motor and other cars and motors mentioned on here so that I may better my knowledge of the community with which I choose to be a part of. Do that yourself and I can assure you that there will be less slamming and more assistance. Besides, if you think that was slamming...piss Shawn off and I think it could get much worse. He's pretty blunt and doesn't really seem like the beat around the bush kinda guy.
So to sum it up.
1. Read
2. Read
3. Read
4. Think first and then read again before asking what has already been asked.
Good luck.
fro20 10-21-2007, 03:16 AM Lets not forget though, that you're going to need a flexible budget, for things that you will likely forget, or break in the process.
Oh man tell me about it,a ll my little extras on my full car rebuild cost like a G, but I guess that is not too bad when I projected 9k and spent 10k
Shawn B 10-21-2007, 05:33 AM Thanks to everyone who got back to me, all help is appreciated, could do without all the slamming and sarcasm ***.. Shawn B
I could do without the same unresearched questions over and over and over. Click the button that says "rules", give those a read. I can quote them if you'd like.
Here's basically your same damn question from the same damn day. Just a different newb in a different section. I copied, pasted and slightly modified my response. No kidding. Yet another redundant thread for folks to SEARCH through and filter when they are following the Forum Rules.
http://www.sr20forum.com/classic-se-r/216699-help-please.html
That newb took my same advice with a grain of salt, humor, and thanks. What a concept.
I could do without ungrateful bastards when I post some damn helpful information. Following the links I provided will lead you to far more information than anyone could have ever posted in this thread. Plus those threads would teach you how to find your own information, quickly, easily, efficiently and drama free. That is the most helpful thing you could possibly learn.
You've been here since June of 2006, you've posted seventeen (17) times. When exactly were you planning on reading the Forum Rules, finding the Search button, and clicking on The Technical Library? :melonscratcher:
My initial post was me being very nice, patient, and helpful. Note the ";) " at the beginning when I used self-effacing humor. Note the ":biggthump " when I welcomed you to the forum at the end. I never used any ":squint: " smilies did I? I never got personal and called you nasty names did I?
I'm still actually trying to remain reasonably nice, this may be a first for me. I'm not at all sure I like it. :squint:
If you read all the cool stuff that is in the NEW MEMBERS AREA there is lots of advice about researching before posting redundant and redundant and redundant....sorry I sound like a totally new guy saying the same thing over again. I asked a couple stupid questions when I first got on here and got jacked a bit but that was cause I DIDN'T READ THE NEW MEMBERS AREA VERY WELL FIRST!
Right on.
There is TONS and I mean TONS of info on here and if you just search you will learn to ask better questions. By including the things in your question that are pertinent to the question such as budget, goal and other things like Shawn mentioned the people that you are asking will be better able to assist you. By reading the info in the results from you SEARCHES you may be able to comprise a very smart and important list of questions to ask.
Bada-fu*king-bing. :D
Besides, if you think that was slamming...piss Shawn off and I think it could get much worse. He's pretty blunt and doesn't really seem like the beat around the bush kinda guy.
:confused: ...:melonscratcher:
Me? I'm just a big pussycat. Friendly, lovable, laid-back, if a bit shy and occassionally stoic.
So to sum it up.
1. Read
2. Read
3. Read
4. Think first and then read again before asking what has already been asked.
A most excellent summation. You sir, are a scholar, a gentlemen and a fine boon to our outanding Forum.
UsaPride 10-21-2007, 12:27 PM Me? I'm just a big pussycat. Friendly, lovable, laid-back, if a bit shy and occassionally stoic.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!
ahahahahah wow. that made me laugh so hard LOL
thx shawn haha. nice post
waffleman 10-22-2007, 11:53 AM I know there is tons of info on here, I didn't need that pointed out, but istead of taking me days to search through what was relevant to me and my isue, I thought I would ask in a couple spots and people where nice enought to respond, so I am done and got my information that i needed. Sorry I am a newbie on forums but it was by far the quickest way to get the info I needed.
thanks again to all who posted info for me.
nsusammyeb 10-22-2007, 12:12 PM http://www.sr20forum.com/forced-induction-performance-parts/215807-u13-t25-set-up.html
got one for sale, almost everything you need, besides ecu, fuel pump and time.
Shawn B 10-22-2007, 12:16 PM I know there is tons of info on here, I didn't need that pointed out
If you "know there is tons of info on here" why don't you simply access it?
You obviously needed it pointed out, you couldn't find the damn Technical Library, cannot find the SEARCH Button, and currently have no clue what to do with the SEARCH Button when you finally find it. :rolleyes:
but instead of taking me days to search through what was relevant to me and my isue
WTF are you talking about? I can find most answers using the SEARCH BUTTON in literally seconds to minutes. It is only when I am really investigating a whole system (uh...suspensions for instance) that I may take longer to find an answer.
What you are saying is you have no idea HOW to search, nor are you willing to learn. If you had any clue whatsoever, you could find your answers far quicker with a SEARCH than posting another redundant thread.
THAT RIGHT THERE is exactly WHY I posted the threads for you on How To SEARCH. You don't know how to do so effectively. You think SEARCHING is some God-given Talent? No. It's a damn skill that you can learn, assuming you aren't a lazy son-of-a-bitch.
I thought I would ask in a couple spots and people where nice enought to respond, so I am done and got my information that i needed. .
You asked, between Chriscar and I, we still posted more information and help for you than anyone else in this thread. Three (3) threads is all you needed to point you in the right direction.
Sorry I am a newbie on forums but it was by far the quickest way to get the info I needed
Quit your pity-party whining bullsh*t. "Sorry you're a newb"?:rolleyes:
Your first statement "sorry you're a newb" completely nullifies and destroys the credibility of your second statement "it was by far the quickest way to get the info". NO IT WAS NOT THE QUICKEST WAY TO GET THE INFO. If you weren't a damn lazy newb filled with excuses and justifications for not SEARCHing , you would know that for a fact. Thee fastest way to get your information is to fu*king SEARCH. It works 24/7/365 and anyone with half a fu*king brain and the willpower to actually do a little bit of effort for themselves can learn SEARCHing skills quite easily.
Here ya' go:
Search before posting!
Before you post a technical question, be sure you have done keyword searches for the topic you have a question on. Nobody wants to answer the same questions over and over again. The vast majority of answers to SE-R questions can be found by browsing the pages on this site or on pages linked from this site.
I figured I'd quote them for you so you don't have to go actually click a link or do any work for yourself.
thanks again to all who posted info for me.
No problems, anytime.
Once again, welcome to the Forum.
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