ryan- you have a pm- a few actually

I feel for you Aaron. I think he should at least buy you a new JWT ecu or give you the full money to replace it because it was clearly stated that it had one in the car. Now I did a little search and found that he *sold* a JWT ecu on this forum back in 2005.

Thread:
http://www.sr20forum.com/forced-induction-performance-parts/132969-jwt-ecu-z32-72-8-5-1-a.html

So either he was smoking you the whole time,he has a really bad memory or he bought a replacement for it.

Who knows?.. Maybe he will chime in and explain his side.

Mike

But in the thread it said you were going to put a VE in it anyway, right... ???

I think it would be different if the motor was shot or something.

I understand its about principle at this point, for both of you. He probably feels salty for selling the car and loosing a ton of money on it for the good price it went, and you feel salty for technically not getting what you were told to be sold... but at least he gave you something. He could have said "f you..." and not given you anything. ... at least he gave you something, you know?

A calum ecu basic dauhterboard w/ that program will be under $200 so no money out of pocket. Shit, a used JWT ecu nowadays hardly goes for 250 on the forum anymore. So technically the issue is over a measly extra 150 extra dollars?

I just don't think this is enough to call someone out publicly on... just my opinion though, not trying to argue. Look at the bright side: you have a very clean panty dropper sentra, for a decent price, that I assume doesn't need too much work to stunt the block with... I think once you left you kind of sealed the deal... but I respect that you took it and left.

I've recently had an issue with buying an item, and I thought it in differnt ways was worse off than this, but I talked it out mano y mano... and after some discussion worked it out. I also realized that 200 dollars is nothing to bicker about.... when down the road ur probably going to invest 10 times that...

im just doing a head swap... everything else is the same... This b13 is an obd1 and my VE JWT is an obd2... Dont know what the VE has to do with anything. His motor WAS pretty much shot as far as he was concerned. It did not run for him nor did he ever take the time to try and figure out what was going on.


Im not calling him out at all. I just ahte it when a situation should get handled one way, and it goes astray. It doesnt matter what I paid for the car, and it doesnt matter how much he has into it. What matter is that he said it had somthing that it did not have. Now because of this the car will not run.

If I wanted to be super dick I would have been shouting 500 bucks for the ecu a long time ago. I didnt do that.


Also tokes the time that I need this is is the ISSUE. I cant wait for someones fucking ecu to come along at a good price and then have to wait another fucking month for slow ass JWT to tune me ecu for my shit and then slowpoke it back. I cant do it. The BMW is about to be sold, and this is going to be my MAIN mode of transportaion. I am in a hurry to build this... but when NOW I have to WAIT WAIT WAIT because HE fucked up, and then gave me a measly 200 bucks and pretty much said "good luck" then Yes i think i have somthing to be pissed about.


I think anyone in this situation would be pretty mad. Mike even found that forsale thread so hell who knows, he could have been burning me this whole time. His lack of urgency and weird behavior (like not wanting to give me this other guys number that he said had the ECU which lives like 45 minutes from me when HES in lubbock 5 hours away) just threw me over the edge at the end. I took the 200 bucks and Ill have to deal. Guess this is one of MY shitty little lessons to learn from.

But in the thread it said you were going to put a VE in it anyway, right... ???

I think it would be different if the motor was shot or something.

I understand its about principle at this point, for both of you. He probably feels salty for selling the car and loosing a ton of money on it for the good price it went, and you feel salty for technically not getting what you were told to be sold... but at least he gave you something. He could have said "f you..." and not given you anything. ... at least he gave you something, you know?

A calum ecu basic dauhterboard w/ that program will be under $200 so no money out of pocket. sh*t, a used JWT ecu nowadays hardly goes for 250 on the forum anymore. So technically the issue is over a measly extra 150 extra dollars?

I just don't think this is enough to call someone out publicly on... just my opinion though, not trying to argue. Look at the bright side: you have a very clean panty dropper sentra, for a decent price, that I assume doesn't need too much work to stunt the block with... I think once you left you kind of sealed the deal... but I respect that you took it and left.

I've recently had an issue with buying an item, and I thought it in differnt ways was worse off than this, but I talked it out mano y mano... and after some discussion worked it out. I also realized that 200 dollars is nothing to bicker about.... when down the road ur probably going to invest 10 times that...

Ameen, he is just swapping the VE head on the det block, keeping everything else in the setup. That's why he needs that ecu programmed for the 72# injectors, turbo, z32 maf. The only thing that will be changing is a little bump in compression, which we can take care of by lower the base timing a little.

You buy a car for $3000, then come to find out that a $400 part is missing, keeping the car from runnning at all would piss anyone off. Now after running so fucking rich from using the stock ecu, the rings could be fucked. Time will tell.

I'm pissed off because I spent 5-10 hours swapping parts, tweaking little things, trying to get the motor to run. What a fucking waste of time. I didnt even bother checking the ecu right away, because we had a forum member's (noclassic) word that it was there and it was a JWT programmed for the setup.

Also, how would it be different if the motor was shot? I new JWT ecu is $500. You can find a det block for $400 or a whole motor for $650. I dont see what the difference is between the two.

We have both talked many times, and you are a great guy. Don't think I'm calling you out or trying to start an arguement :biggthump

Jeremy

im just doing a head swap... everything else is the same... This b13 is an obd1 and my VE JWT is an obd2... Dont know what the VE has to do with anything. His motor WAS pretty much shot as far as he was concerned. It did not run for him nor did he ever take the time to try and figure out what was going on.


Im not calling him out at all. I just ahte it when a situation should get handled one way, and it goes astray. It doesnt matter what I paid for the car, and it doesnt matter how much he has into it. What matter is that he said it had somthing that it did not have. Now because of this the car will not run.

If I wanted to be super dick I would have been shouting 500 bucks for the ecu a long time ago. I didnt do that.


Also tokes the time that I need this is is the ISSUE. I cant wait for someones fu*king ecu to come along at a good price and then have to wait another fu*king month for slow ass JWT to tune me ecu for my sh*t and then slowpoke it back. I cant do it. The BMW is about to be sold, and this is going to be my MAIN mode of transportaion. I am in a hurry to build this... but when NOW I have to WAIT WAIT WAIT because HE fu*ked up, and then gave me a measly 200 bucks and pretty much said "good luck" then Yes i think i have somthing to be pissed about.


I think anyone in this situation would be pretty mad. Mike even found that forsale thread so hell who knows, he could have been burning me this whole time. His lack of urgency and weird behavior (like not wanting to give me this other guys number that he said had the ECU which lives like 45 minutes from me when HES in lubbock 5 hours away) just threw me over the edge at the end. I took the 200 bucks and Ill have to deal. Guess this is one of MY sh*tty little lessons to learn from.


I see where you are coming from totally - believe me :tongue: ... I can't blame you for being mad at all. Reading the other thread it seems as though you were going to throw a VE motor in. This makes me think that you're swapping a VE in... that's all I went by. I apolgize if I read it wrong...
the ve's going in it and hopfully after all the swapping of parts from the g to the classic itll start, but who knows. Its gonna be a neat build for jeremy and I.

You stil have every right to be pissed off... He did say that the ECU was a jwt tuned for what is in it... regardless. The mistake here is you guys should have talked it out before you head over there and come to an agreement on the price of its replacement. If yall had ths probably wouldn't be a thread right now...

As far as the issue; you have to think... you are trying to use a car that wasn't running as your only mode of transportation... that is not his fault. Buying a car non-running is chancey, you sometimes find suprises - I found that out as well...

Nontheless, If one person is not happy within the exchange the other should respond and come to a conclusion... he should respond to you about it with how to make things at least right, so you are both okay with things.

I really hope it all works out... again, it sucks... I'm not sure if you are jamaican blood or not, but we africans tend to take trust a long way, and to heart... And I feel you 100%. When trust is broken it's a big deal.

Ameen, he is just swapping the VE head on the det block, keeping everything else in the setup. That's why he needs that ecu programmed for the 72# injectors, turbo, z32 maf. The only thing that will be changing is a little bump in compression, which we can take care of by lower the base timing a little.

You buy a car for $3000, then come to find out that a $400 part is missing, keeping the car from runnning at all would piss anyone off. Now after running so fu*king rich from using the stock ecu, the rings could be fu*ked. Time will tell.

I'm pissed off because I spent 5-10 hours swapping parts, tweaking little things, trying to get the motor to run. What a fu*king waste of time. I didnt even bother checking the ecu right away, because we had a forum member's (noclassic) word that it was there and it was a JWT programmed for the setup.

Also, how would it be different if the motor was shot? I new JWT ecu is $500. You can find a det block for $400 or a whole motor for $650. I dont see what the difference is between the two.

We have both talked many times, and you are a great guy. Don't think I'm calling you out or trying to start an arguement :biggthump

Jeremy

You know me! I don't get all heated on the forums man :) Trust. It's all good homie :D I usually never take sides, I just hate seeing quarrels between forum members... I like seing things worked out.

It was my impression that he had a full VE motor to swap in... because thats' what I read in the thread... I must have overlooked the head swap. It's a different story if thats the deal. And in my head I automatically think a calum basic ecu would be an option, and very cost effective in this case, but maybe I'm overlooking that too.

I guess the lesson learned is you can't put all your chips in on someone elses word. My guess is it was all a mis-understanding. I hope it get worked out.

that would make me mad too especially seeing his thread about selling the ECU a day before he posts the car for sale. I think u have all the right to be pissed

For one Laracca Racing received the ECU in DEC 9th 2007

And the thread said you bought the car Jan 9th 2008

He knew before he sold it to you. Thats wrong...

http://www.sr20forum.com/forced-induction-performance-parts/132969-jwt-ecu-z32-72-8-5-1-a.html

that would make me mad too especially seeing his thread about selling the ECU a day before he posts the car for sale. I think u have all the right to be pissed

For one Laracca Racing received the ECU in DEC 9th 2007

And the thread said you bought the car Jan 9th 2008

He knew before he sold it to you. Thats wrong...

http://www.sr20forum.com/forced-induction-performance-parts/132969-jwt-ecu-z32-72-8-5-1-a.html

The date in which he posted that he recieved the ecu was Dec. 8th 2005 BTW.

http://www.sr20forum.com/1300229-post15.html

The date in which he posted that he recieved the ecu was Dec. 8th 2005 BTW.

http://www.sr20forum.com/1300229-post15.html

oops i wasnt wearing my glasses... it would make me more mad... at least u got 200.. its better than a kick in the face.

I see where you are coming from totally - believe me :tongue: ... I can't blame you for being mad at all. Reading the other thread it seems as though you were going to throw a VE motor in. This makes me think that you're swapping a VE in... that's all I went by. I apolgize if I read it wrong...


You stil have every right to be pissed off... He did say that the ECU was a jwt tuned for what is in it... regardless. The mistake here is you guys should have talked it out before you head over there and come to an agreement on the price of its replacement. If yall had ths probably wouldn't be a thread right now...

As far as the issue; you have to think... you are trying to use a car that wasn't running as your only mode of transportation... that is not his fault. Buying a car non-running is chancey, you sometimes find suprises - I found that out as well...

Nonetheless, If one person is not happy within the exchange the other should respond and come to a conclusion... he should respond to you about it with how to make things at least right, so you are both okay with things.

I really hope it all works out... again, it sucks... I'm not sure if you are jamaican blood or not, but we africans tend to take trust a long way, and to heart... And I feel you 100%. When trust is broken it's a big deal.



You know me! I don't get all heated on the forums man :) Trust. It's all good homie :D I usually never take sides, I just hate seeing quarrels between forum members... I like seing things worked out.

It was my impression that he had a full VE motor to swap in... because thats' what I read in the thread... I must have overlooked the head swap. It's a different story if thats the deal. And in my head I automatically think a calum basic ecu would be an option, and very cost effective in this case, but maybe I'm overlooking that too.

I guess the lesson learned is you can't put all your chips in on someone elses word. My guess is it was all a mis-understanding. I hope it get worked out.


The funny thing is, when we were there looking at the car, we asked about the ecu cause there was no sticker on it. He said the sticker had been peeling off a while back and prolly just came off. I know and have seen that those stickers do have a tendency to peel off easily, so I didn't think anything of it. We should have listened to our instincts and opened it up right then and there.

I have so many spare parts that we figured that I would be able to diagnose and fix the problem pretty quick. We never intended on this being an immediate daily driver. We just wanted to get it running to see how the bottom end was before we started swapping the head and replacing parts.

I know you don't take things to heart broseph, I was just making sure! :tongue:

I think you are overreacting. I know Ryan personally, and have spoken with him recently about this missing ECU crap. He was genuinely trying to track the ECU down, but the guy who owned the car before was not cooperative.

The whole thing is a pretty sh*tty deal, but I don't think the blame lies with Ryan. He was simply stating what he had been told by the previous owner was in the car. Since that information turned out to be wrong, I think that you are lucky he was cooperative in giving you the money back.

If there was never a dollar amount specified, I think that $200 is right on the mark, especially if you can get a Calum for under $200 as someone posted in this thread.

Im not calling him out at all.
I hate to break it to you sport, but that is exactly what you are doing.

If NOCLASSIC is ryan's screen name he sold the ecu way before he listed the car for sale...... he knew when he sold it that there was no JWT ecu. How could he state that the other owner took it out of the car when Ryan sold it to Laracca racing in 2005.

So your telling me that if you had the choice of ECU you would choose Calum's over JWT?

playatx99- I dont know who you are but im here to tell you im not callin ghim out saying I WANT MONEY or I WANT THIS OR THAT.... I am simply saying that the situation was NOT handled very well on either side. I waited for him to try and track it down but he wouldnt even give me the guys number so I could GO to his house and help him look for it.


So no, "sport" Im not calling him out. He did what he though was right, and I think that if he says he will replace it, then he should do that, instead of pissing me away with 200 bucks. A dollor amount was not talked about cause he said he would REPLACE it. I really didnt even want to get the calum cause im not doing any hardcore tuning.


Ill just have to deal with the 200 bucks and thats the end of this. Im pissed cause the car was advertised with a JWT ecu and it DIDNT have one.

Reguardless of if he sold it, if he thought it was in there, it WASNT. I should have checked it that day in the car when I saw it had no sticker, but he reassured me that it was in fact, a JWT ecu. What a sucker I am... I dont even listen to my gut instinct.


I stated before as well that ryan IS a good fella and that I thought he DID try and track it down, but I dont understand is if your good friends witht eh people you sold and bought the car back from, then why cant you get something simple done like looking for an ECU within a week?

bump for new info about the car... Especially the 5th gear popout...

In the for sale thread he said there was a JWT ecu, there wasnt. It said there was a Nismo shift knob, there was no shift knob at all. It said the exhaust housing on the turbo was coated, it wasnt. It said the tranny was rebuilt 10k ago, it has 5th gear popout. It said it had a JVC cd player, it doesn't. Fucking rediculous.....

And if you do actually come on here Im sure youll say somthing about me coming to look at the car, which I did before I bought it. The fact is that I was willing to overlook some things like the dirtyness cause I can clean it, and the shift knob because its just a shift knob. I believed it had a good drivetrain and a good engine it really had neither. I can only hope these rings arent shitting out and will re-seal soon. You told me these things were good and I know this because I specifically asked you these questions. Jeremy was there as well. Yet again I get the shaft. FIrst no JWT ecu after I asked you about that, and now 5th gear popout after I asked you DIRECTLY about the "rebuilt tranny" and if it indeed had 5th gear popout.


I just cant believe people can take advantage of people so easily. If you really didnt know that much about YOUR car then I feel sorry for you.


Of course in the end its all my problem now. Live and learn. Im glad the g20 has a good tranny. But of course, more work!



Man am I glad I love sr20's this damn much. I guess not many people realize that these cars are very important to us.

-Aaron

I dont get how a Calum ECU costs more than $200?? Pretty sure I just bought one for $110.

edit: I'll sell you my JWT core if you want for $200 too.

dood... I didnt WANT a calum... the car wasent advertised with a CALUM... it was advertised with a JWT ecu.


Im pretty sure you need to shut it. I HAD to get a claum cause that all the money he gave me for.


THat is old news anyways.... I started ths thread about the ecu, but now its about more.... about the 5th gear popout and all the other hack job shit on this car.

I would be pissed if I bought a car and it had bad axles,no ECU as advertised,5th gear pop-out etc...

When you sell a car you need to disclose everything,you can tell if the car has bad axles,5th gear pop-out,CV torn to crap,so its not like something small that might have got overlooked.

Even though people are throwing out excuses,I understand your frustration Lucino,you expect to get what you paid for and everyone here knows that and would be pissed off if it was thier money,but since its NOT,its easy to give excuses for the seller and tell you it's OK.

More power to you Lucino and I hope you are able to get the car into good running condition.You might want to scan EBAY for a ECU,I was able to find my JWT ECU for $375 shipped.

I need someone with a camcorder cause this bitch is RUNNING! yay