i've read that taking out my power steering will help me control the torque steer on my car a lot better... what do you guys think??? and how will i take out my power steering??? is it as simple as just taking off my power steering belt???

You need an idler pulley to remove the PS because the belt runs the waterpump and crank also. You can also keep the PS pump on and recirculate the hose back to the pump to keep the bearing lubricated with fluid, just don't run the actual PS system.

I make a power steering eliminator kit for the sr20 that uses a Nissan idler pulley, removes 10lb, and frees up 2whp on an NA sr20. All the cars with the kit, (about 10 so far), seem to have reduced torque steer, but none of them was a turbo. Email me at joelw @ mcdirect.com for pictures. Also look up previoug discussions of the kit.

-joel
RTR

Also before you do this, go to a big empty parking lot, get a running start and turn off the engine. See if you can live with the very much increased steering effort especially at low speeds.

i have removed my power steering

it feels like i have a little less torquesteer now but compensation for torquesteer is a little harder when you only have one hand on the wheel right after a shift

Originally posted by random thoughts
I make a power steering eliminator kit for the sr20 that uses a Nissan idler pulley, removes 10lb, and frees up 2whp on an NA sr20. All the cars with the kit, (about 10 so far), seem to have reduced torque steer, but none of them was a turbo. Email me at joelw @ mcdirect.com for pictures. Also look up previoug discussions of the kit.

-joel
RTR

how much for the kit.

This is not acurate. you are trying to move fluid through a non circulating pump when you do that. The effort is not as hard as steering with a non powered pump!

-joel

Originally posted by Probedude
Also before you do this, go to a big empty parking lot, get a running start and turn off the engine. See if you can live with the very much increased steering effort especially at low speeds.

$140 plus shipping for the basic highport kit. Lowport motors need an aditional bracket.

-joel

Originally posted by n2nismo
how much for the kit.

ive driven a non power-steering car (civic cx hatchback) for a while and it is not bad as people make it out to be. actually, it is not bad at all. anything above an even slightly rolling speed and the car will turn with ease...

Or you can buy an electrical water pump and be done with both then remove the a/c and all you have is the alternator. mAd PoWaH yO !!!

Originally posted by Limited Slip
ive driven a non power-steering car (civic cx hatchback) for a while and it is not bad as people make it out to be. actually, it is not bad at all. anything above an even slightly rolling speed and the car will turn with ease...

Yup only parallel parking is a little harder, but making turns is about the same

Limited Slip,
Was that Honda from the factory without power steering? Or did it come with power steering and then it was removed?

The reason I ask is that yes there are cars from the factory that do not have power steering -I've owned two and the effort was not great. However the steering gearbox ratios between the power steering version and the non-power steering version is not the same.

Case in point - from the FSM the Sentra with power steering is 2.74 turns lock to lock. The Sentra E with manual steering is 4.21 turns lock to lock. Big difference in effort required.

I've cut the engine early when pulling into parking lots with my SE-R and the effort required to steer at low speeds is not something I'd want to deal with EVERY SINGLE DAY.


Again if you want to see what it would be like for those of you with power steering - go into an empty parking lot, turn off your ignition (don't pull out the key or the wheel will lock!!!!) and attempt to steer around. Note that you'll only get maybe 2 braking attempts before you also lose your power brakes so don't do this in a crowded parking lot!





Originally posted by Limited Slip
ive driven a non power-steering car (civic cx hatchback) for a while and it is not bad as people make it out to be. actually, it is not bad at all. anything above an even slightly rolling speed and the car will turn with ease...

You are correct about the steering racks being differant on the PS vs. non PS sentras. But your turn off the ignition method to test steeing ease is still not correct!

I am in San Diego and am often in LA for the se-r cup races. If anyone would like to test drive a car with the PS removed you are more than welcome to test drive mine!

-joel

Originally posted by Probedude
Limited Slip,
Was that Honda from the factory without power steering? Or did it come with power steering and then it was removed?

The reason I ask is that yes there are cars from the factory that do not have power steering -I've owned two and the effort was not great. However the steering gearbox ratios between the power steering version and the non-power steering version is not the same.

Case in point - from the FSM the Sentra with power steering is 2.74 turns lock to lock. The Sentra E with manual steering is 4.21 turns lock to lock. Big difference in effort required.

I've cut the engine early when pulling into parking lots with my SE-R and the effort required to steer at low speeds is not something I'd want to deal with EVERY SINGLE DAY.


Again if you want to see what it would be like for those of you with power steering - go into an empty parking lot, turn off your ignition (don't pull out the key or the wheel will lock!!!!) and attempt to steer around. Note that you'll only get maybe 2 braking attempts before you also lose your power brakes so don't do this in a crowded parking lot!

This is also a very good option! There are now 2 se-r cup race cars running the Mezier electric water pump. I believe the price is $300 for a 20gpm pump and $500+ for the (50?)gpm pump. The elec. pump clears up SO MUCH room in the engine bay!

-joel

Originally posted by sakerocket1
Or you can buy an electrical water pump and be done with both then remove the a/c and all you have is the alternator. mAd PoWaH yO !!!