Whats up everone. I was just wondering if there is gonna be anyone that is going to be willing to help me with my engine swap that will be coming up here very shortly. All initial preparations are done. I have a lightweight JUN flywheel and an ACT clutch sitting in front of me and about 1700$ in my savings account for a motor (need a little more still for shipping and any incidentals that may come up). My problem is I have been trying to contact a lot of you guys to find out what is going on in the local area (engine swaps and the like) that I might at least be able to watch to see what I am getting into and at least meet some of you. So far the response I have gotten has pretty much been the cold shoulder, so it looks like right now I am on my own. I know that there is a fair sized group of you out there that have done this, but most seem to be in some sort of alliance which I am not interested in too much. I am willing to give up some loot or parts off my de that will come out to whoever volunteers. I will plan location and what not depending on replies to this thread. Thanks
Trace
96ser BBdet shortly

Damn man I would be glad to help, although I have never done a motor swap either, there are a bunch of guys who have. I dont know if they are down, but I am, and I know a couple of my boys have done motor swaps on other cars so there knowledge might help also. Also the forum is a great place to get info, tips, and,other problems that other people have run into, just use the search button. Sometimes you have to revise your search but you will find info. As for me and my buddies, I personally would love to help out just to get so experience on a big project like yours, and I am sure my buddies (my brother, butter(Dom) would like to too. Also what motor are you planning on putting in? bluebird?JDM DE? so hit me up man.

Thanks Steve. It is going to be a BB det I have also already put in a carbontrix carbon fiber hood scoop where the top mount intercooler would be in the event that the motor I purchase comes with that setup. I am trying to get one of the newer BB det's with the front mount. JGY was selling them a little bit ago, but like I said I still need a couple hundred more bux before I go into this. Anyone you know that has done any sort of DE to DET swap would be an amazing help. I am looking at paying money for a large storage unit with an electrical outlet to do the swap and will purchase an engine lift prior. I AM NOT trying to get something for nothing here fellas. I am down to help with whatever I can with whomevers car, even if I havnt done that particular thing I would like to at least see it done. I have made this exact same comment to some unnamed people on this forum via email and phonecalls, and its either no response or I will call you back. If anyone is interested I am thinking around mid october would probably be a good time to do it. I would really like to have some sort of meet or something with everyone before this goes down.
As far as the search button goes, I have using it day in and day out for a while and it works for general info, but is really hard to get exactly what you are looking for. Pretty much I either need someone who has done this swap, or a step by step manual on doing so, I know that there are lots of you that have done this in the area, but apparently because I am new to the forum, I am new to the SER world?? or something like that. I have had my car for over 2 years, done all work on it myself, and understand the ins and outs (for the most part) of a turbo system. Also if you guys are interested I will post some more pix on the members ride section today. The wing is gone :)

hey man I believe in what comes around goes around, I would help out with anything I can for nothing just cause you are a SE-R guy. Also one of our friends dropped a Det into his 240, I know that is different deal but still his knowledge could help. Also I have no doubt in my mind if we put our heads together we can do the swap. Also is it a B13 or B14? if you have a B14 I am fairly sure you need a JWT ECU, if its a B13 you can use the BB, or avinar ECU for its OBD-I. hit me up man I am super down to help out. hey all you northern alliance guys I know you guys know whats up! help a SE-R homie out. and it would be a good chance for all us to meet up.

Let me know what date, I can bring some extra tools and knowledge.

Q in Sac

Thanks Quinsac, I will definitely let you know a firm date. Anyone think that this is do-able in a weekend?? And are you sure I need a JWT ecu for a 200sx ser? I thought the stock BB det one would work. Thanks guys I already feel a lot better knowing that this thread has been up for only an hour or two and goodhearted SER guys like quinsac and steve are responding
thanks guys and if anyone that has done this knows of anything else I will need let me know , even tools
thanks
trace
We all need to meet somewhere, this weekend maybe, any ideas, maybe somewhere in fairfield or vacaville as they are in between the two major cities. If anyone is doing anything SER related this weekend let me know!!

Also here is some more info for you about the swap:
http://www.se-r.net/engine/swap/ it has info on a B14 swap. Also I wrote nippon motors (www.nippon-motors.com) a email asking if they have gotten anymore DET's in (bluebird, or avinar) they sell BB's for $975 and I dont know how much they sell Avinars for, also you can call K. watanabe and ask if they have any DET's on stock, they have a huge warehouse so you will be more likely to find one there, and from what I hear their prices are right on, you can call the at 1-888-592-3644, I would have emailed them but I didnt find anything about inquiring about motors. also I hear they budge allot on thier prices so if anyone has bought a DET from them tell us what kind of price you got for it. also see if andreas miko has a BB for sale, he is on this forum. I can most likey get a cherry picker from my buddy tim. and my brother aaron is a mechanic and he drives SE-R also so I know he would like to help.

OH yea free pizza and beer to all that help. Looking towards the end of october. thanks
trace.
new pix in members ride section if any of you all are interested

yes you will need a JWT ECU for your B14, I also have a B14 and we have OBD-II and a earlier ECU will not work unless you find a 95+ SR20det like a Avinar, I think we will also need to swap some sensors, I was reading in some other posts like TPS, and air intake temp sensor, and lengthening the O2 sensor wires cause its on the downpipe. hope that website above will help its for a 96 200sx.

FREE PIZZA AND BEER!! I know butter, myself, and my brother are super down now,LOL! we work for beer.:D

You will need an ECU. Make sure that when you order it from JWT you tell them that you are installing a DET into your car. Make sure that you get an ODB2 ecu. You should get ready for a decent amount of downtime. You will also have to buy a downpipe or get one made. JGY sells one that is uh.. kinda hooptie but it works you'll also want a 3inch exhaust from the downpipe back. And also get ready to live with your check engine light on for good. The ODB1 motor (DET) will not have provisions for many of the sensors your B14 has. I know this because I had similar problems with my Brothers B14 when I put a primera motor in. So that's 600 for ecu, 200ish for a downpipe plus you'll need new axle seals and tranny fluid (reccomend redline lightweight shockproof) and also I assume you'll want a boost gauge and an oil pressure gauge is mandatory. If I were you I'd stack up an additional 2000 dollars just for these parts and another couple of hundred for the other little expenses that will crop up. If you don't have all that ready for your turbo install then be ready to have your car sit for a while or a pretty ghetto rigged car. Make sure you do it right the first time. Alot of newbies have spend thousands on a motor and parts and blown them up down the road because of bad planning and not being prepared. The motor swap itself is the easiest part, We did our first DET swap in 2 days from original engine out to its first det'd drive home. And that was with plenty of screwing around and wasting time even a 4 hour parts run on the last day. You will also want to save money to make your intercooler plumbing. If JGY sends you the full motor it should have a blow off valve. You can re-use that. But I reccomend you go with a front mount intercooler. Since you are running a small turbo I'd reccomend a Starion intercooler which is pretty easy to find at a mitsubishi junkyard. If you go with the top mount even with a hoodscoop your car is a ticking timebomb. It can be run temporarily but your intake temps will be pretty scary, which will lead to detonation and broken spark plugs if you're lucky or rod knock. Alot of this information is in the forums. Just make sure you are ready before you start.

LM


Originally posted by Trace
Whats up everone. I was just wondering if there is gonna be anyone that is going to be willing to help me with my engine swap that will be coming up here very shortly. All initial preparations are done. I have a lightweight JUN flywheel and an ACT clutch sitting in front of me and about 1700$ in my savings account for a motor (need a little more still for shipping and any incidentals that may come up). My problem is I have been trying to contact a lot of you guys to find out what is going on in the local area (engine swaps and the like) that I might at least be able to watch to see what I am getting into and at least meet some of you. So far the response I have gotten has pretty much been the cold shoulder, so it looks like right now I am on my own. I know that there is a fair sized group of you out there that have done this, but most seem to be in some sort of alliance which I am not interested in too much. I am willing to give up some loot or parts off my de that will come out to whoever volunteers. I will plan location and what not depending on replies to this thread. Thanks
Trace
96ser BBdet shortly

Also, BUTTER (dom) has a set of boost, and A/F gauges in a dual pod, you should hit him up. DOM! where you at homie?

Originally posted by qinsac
Let me know what date, I can bring some extra tools and knowledge.

Q in Sac

End of October sound good, I'm going to the Mossy Car Show @ Oct 4. Let me know wassssssssp and maybe I can assist.

Q in Sac

The stock bluebird ecu will not work unless you have the bluebird MAF to go along with it. But that is also a moot point because the ODB1 (DET) ecu will not plug up to your newer ODB2 wiring harness, the pins are very different.

LM

Originally posted by Trace
Thanks Quinsac, I will definitely let you know a firm date. Anyone think that this is do-able in a weekend?? And are you sure I need a JWT ecu for a 200sx ser? I thought the stock BB det one would work.

kinda off subject but hey Q you are going to the mossy car show on the 4th? maybe I will try to make my way down there for I am socal right now. too bad I dont have my SE-R with me. But I can try.

Hmm...I went through this exact thing about 9 months ago...so here goes. Luis covered all the good stuff, but I will add some more input.

$1700 is not gonna cover you. Period. I would plan for like $3500 in expenses. Especially if you plan to feed your helpers. (They can eat a lot!)

Do you have an FSM? If not, then don't even think about this swap. Get one and read as much as you can about sensors and where they are located and what they do. And read up a lot on those vacuum diagrams.

Getting a JWT ECU has been tough these days - their turnaround time is almost in the half-year range. They might be able to get an ECU out faster now since racing season is winding down, but I would get try to get the ECU first. (Get a spare from a junkyard so you won't have to pay for the core).

You will also want to get new axle seals, new front/rear main seals, new water pump, new thermostat, and new coolant temp sensor. Also consider getting better motor mounts and a better radiator. These parts and small stuff like filters and fluids add up. Make sure you get all you need.

For downpipe, IC and piping kit, I would go with the Hotshot setup. $1100. Greg Perry did a nice write up on his turbo install, so read up on his work - and he made his own piping. Louis Anaya sells really nice Forge ICs for $450 or so too. But the best bang for your buck IC is the Starion. Irwin uses one with good results. DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT go with the top mount IC. I observed intake temps of 160 F in the cooler months before summer. They were probably higher since my temp probe was a $20 Radio Shack special. If I had driven the car in the summer, I would be buying another engine. I still managed to completely melt a plug. Really bad.

The reason we were able to do my swap in a weekend was because I had absolutely EVERYTHING I needed, but we still needed the tool run due to gettting wrong axle seals and we needed some hard-core lights to help us work in the dark. Also, having a set of air tools helps big time. Something will always go wrong so plan for it - for example, I snapped a bolt on my water pump pulley, so it's probably a good idea you have a full tap and die set in case something like that happens.

If your engine is in good shape, why not turbo your current engine? It will end up being cheaper if you source used parts from people (refer to Greg's posts), get parts that have more power potential and you can slowly accumulate what you will need instead of plunking down over $3-4k to do a full engine swap. Turboing your current engine is more work though now that I have seen both things done.

Good luck and when you really have everything, let us know you're planning a swap party.

Lowports tend to suck ass. But then again... all the super high hp turbo de's are lowports. I'll never run oil lines on one again. If you can save up around 3-4k I'd say go with an FMAX kit and just read the instructions.. you will have everything you need.

LM

Originally posted by AntonioG
Turboing your current engine is more work though now that I have seen both things done.

Good luck and when you really have everything, let us know you're planning a swap party.

Originally posted by Trace
So far the response I have gotten has pretty much been the cold shoulder, so it looks like right now I am on my own. I know that there is a fair sized group of you out there that have done this, but most seem to be in some sort of alliance which I am not interested in too much. [b]
Trace
96ser BBdet shortly

lol...this looks like " help me with my motor swap and then never talk to you guys again "...now obviously im assuming but thats my opinion from all my previous interactions with Trace.

Basically what im trying to get at dude is that you can't expect people that don't know you well to jump into such a big project. I offered for you to meet some of the guys next time we have a gathering but there's been one problem...WE HAVENT HAD ONE Now with my work schedule and school im a pretty busy person...sorry if your Motor Swap isn't on my list of priorities. Now that i've read this *****..lol. Good Luck with you install bro

Originally posted by Luis
Lowports tend to suck ass. But then again... all the super high hp turbo de's are lowports. I'll never run oil lines on one again. If you can save up around 3-4k I'd say go with an FMAX kit and just read the instructions.. you will have everything you need.

LM

lol...good advice Luis

Originally posted by Soopastank
lol...this looks like " help me with my motor swap and then never talk to you guys again "...now obviously im assuming but thats my opinion from all my previous interactions with Trace.

Basically what im trying to get at dude is that you can't expect people that don't know you well to jump into such a big project. I offered for you to meet some of the guys next time we have a gathering but there's been one problem...WE HAVENT HAD ONE Now with my work schedule and school im a pretty busy person...sorry if your Motor Swap isn't on my list of priorities. Now that i've read this *****..lol. Good Luck with you install bro

Damn Irwin,
It is unfortunate that you got that impression from me, as that is about as far from the truth as anyone could get, but like you said that is your opinion. Sorry for asking you questions man. I know my engine swap isnt on the top of your priorities, its not the top of mine either. I know you are busy, I have been in the country for 15 days in the last 4 months, I am busy too. I am not asking people that I dont know to help me right now as I am obviously not ready right now. None of this thread was intended towards you in specific, and if you took it that way, oh well. All I know is I have run into you a couple times on "airrace" pkwy and you were real helpful with the questions I asked you. Somehow through that you got the impression that I was "hit and run" kinda guy. I am going to be moving back to the Pacific northwest when my military commitment is up in 6 months, but I am trying to meet everyone here get the damn motor in and go up to WA and represent the SER correctly. Peace