Anybody be interested in these lateral links for B-13, for similar price?

http://www.blackdogmotorsports.com/suspension.html

Travis E

You CANNOT eliminate toe change with the B13 suspension, even with metal bushings. There are two axes of rotation in that strut suspension and they are 90º displaced. As the lateral links move up-and-down through their travel, they (and the hub) are pulled forward by the trailing link (radius rod); the more the suspension deflects, the more the trailing link pulls the hub forward. That's why the ES bushing kit only supplies one bushing for each trailing link, not two (one for each end) as you would expect; one end must remain rubber to provide squish when the suspension deflects.

Granted, solid arm bushings do resist fore/aft deflection better than rubber, but all that does is make the radius arm bushing squish even more as it sees more load.

Eliminating toe change on the B13 requires a different suspension design. Anybody for fabricating a double-wishbone rear suspension?

Originally posted by Slartibartfast
You CANNOT eliminate toe change with the B13 suspension, even with metal bushings.

So I guess the Neon is only one axis? And the foward arm on the Neon is a locator only? Looks like that would have the same problem there too? Not flaming just trying to learn.
Travis E

Don't know, never looked at a Neon suspension.

Hey, Rob Cadle, is the Neon rear suspension the same style strut design as the Classic?

I would be interested.

This type of rose joint setup is what NME ran on the F2 rally cars in the mid-90s - problem is, can't find the pieces anymo'. I don't think it's so much a toe change issue as a durability issue. This kind of setup is common on rally cars.

Robin

Originally posted by Slartibartfast
That's why the ES bushing kit only supplies one bushing for each trailing link, not two (one for each end) as you would expect; one end must remain rubber to provide squish when the suspension deflects.

Interesting. I seem to remember when I installed ES bushings it replaced every bit of rubber found in the rear suspension. I can't think of a place where there is any rubber left.

Are you saying the end of the trailing link closest to, or mounted on the hub still has rubber bushings? I just don't remember.

I put one in there, there is no rubber left in mine.
you mean the cast piece, at the very bottom right?