after my accident i figured i need better brakes:

And the AD22VF option at this point it out. I kinda wanna go aftermarket on my brake upgrade.

1) the issue of ABS confueses me. If i have ABS will i be able to purchase rotors that are for cars w/o ABS


Master Cylinder (MC)
I know that there are several options out there for our MC to be upgraded. I have looked at the possibility of a few of them. First being the NX AD22VF MC. I would like to keep my ABS (even though presently they are not working) But if the have to go to have better braking, then so be it. The second option i was coniplating was the altima MC with the larger bore. My sister has an Altima and her brakes are almost to good...they are a little annoying actually you barley touch the brakes and grabs, hard. Third option is just replacing my MC with another Stock MC.

Goodrich SS Lines
There is a deal on group buy center that offers these lines for 115shipped. They say they are for a b14 though. I was wondering if they will still work in the b13 chassis. And will the flex issues of these lines be a good upgrade?

Rotors
Rotors are the thing that gets me. I'm either going to run OE style upgraded rotors or cross-drilled/slotted rotors. There are so many different setups out there and not trying to spend more then 500dollars on brakes its hard to choose. There are two that i am looking at, the Power Stop rotors which are Cross-drilled and the power slot which are just slotted. In Mike Kojimas brake upgrade write up he stated that crossdrilled rotors would cool 20%faster then OE or slotted. Brembo Also makes a decent OEM replacment rotor that is about 30bucks each but im not sure how well they will do. Are Brembo Brakes THAT good that OE brakes can possibly be better then Crossdrilled?

Pads
In the front i was thinking about running metal master brake pads which can be had for about 40bucks for the set. and run stock pads in the rear. has anyone run metal master pads which are semi-metalic.

Calipers
If I upgrade my MC i will most likly want to run atleast the AD22VF Calipers.

I'd go with the AD22's, axxis ultimates, SS lines and if there's $$ left over, altima MC. You really don't need fancy rotors, but if you think you do, go for slotted in place of X drilled.

I need to check into an upgrade as well. My stock setup sucks. The fastbrakes setup looks mighty inviting.

Unless you are road-racing, the slotted/drilled rotors will do nothing for you other than ego.

You do not need the master cylinder. I feel the the stock master cylinder works fine with my AD22 upgrade. It's strictly a matter of personal taste.

You do not need braided lines, either. Again, it's a feel thing and not a performance thing. I have them, I like them.

A lot of people like the Metal Master pads; I've never used them so I can't say anything. I DID use cheap low-end pads that came with the calipers and they stopped great...for four sessions at a track event. I failed to bed them in and they were worn almost to the backing plate after one hour of track time. I put more cheap ones on and they, too, stop fine. Again, unless you are racing, pads are not an issue.

My tuppence.

Well My master cylinder is already fried, so i figured i would upgrade that while I was at it. What is the Axxiss Ultimate? Matt do oyu know anyone that is running the fastbrake setup?

I have a setup and am very pleased. 11 inch HD front 2-piece rotor and the Maxima rears.

steve, can u guve some mo details of y ur setup :D

Originally posted by xTurbo Classicx
steve, can u guve some mo details of y ur setup :D

2-piece front rotor (aluminum hat/Coleman Directional Vane Rotor), 11 inchX.9thick. Wilwood Billit Dynalite caliper, Maxima Rear Rotor and Caliper, Redrilled rotor (purchased from Fastbrakes) Caliper Purchased from Bap Geon. Stainless lines all the way around.

http://www.colemanracing.com/section/index.htp?id=370
http://www.wilwood.com/products/calipers/bdc/index.asp

If you are thinking of using the Altima MC with my setup I would reconsider OR double check before you purchase. I think it has more rearward brake bias then the oem one and that would not be good with my setup. I am looking to gain a little forward bias so I am thinking of putting proportioning valves in to take away some of the rear brake bias. It is very minor but noticiable in race situations.

http://www.wilwood.com/products/valves/valves.asp

With this setup you can lock the brakes at about 100mph with the same preasure that the oem brakes lock up at about 55 mph. I would assume that you could lock the brakes up at about 120 or so if you had the nerve. This is on my street SO3's. Feel is excellent even with the stock MC. I have also thought of reboring the stock MC to the same size as a Altima MC but the pedal is plenty solid right now so that would be done just to fiddle around with it.

how much were the willwood calipers? those calipers are nice, 2.5lps..wow

Also, I don't understand the directional vane rotor? is it slotted? or what does the "vane" mean?

Since I kept my stock wheels, I went with the AD22 setup, SS lines, stock MC. Worked great at the track! If I had bigger wheels, I'd probably go with a Fastbrakes setup. Either 11" or 11.75" rotors, Wilwood Dynolite calipers, etc. I think the 11" might fit under the stock rotors. You can contact them and they know. Too bad those things weren't around 4 years ago when I got my AD22s.

Oh, and the vanes are like air channels in the rotors. helps them to cool off.

Unless you are road-racing, the slotted/drilled rotors will do nothing for you other than ego.


...must....control.....keyboard...of death.....

I'd like to know more details about this accident.

Originally posted by Slartibartfast
Again, unless you are racing, pads are not an issue.


I disagree. I tried a set of no-name auto-zone pads back-to-back with Metal Masters. The difference in even normal driving was quite noticable. I hear stock Nissan pads are pretty good too, but as far as I know I've never driven on a set.

As far as my accident went, I was getting of the highway into a merging lane. And a camaro in front of me decided to slam on his brakes! So i hit my brakes and what do i get...a whole bunch of mushy non-sense of old MC's ad crappy rotors. So now im stuck with a 2500$ bill. If i had good brakes i believe i would stopped in the nick of time.

11.75" Rotors sound VERY nice. I just wish I had the money.

Do the ad22vf set-up, a set of panther plus pads, ss lines, full brake system flush, ford heavy-duty fluid, and either a new stock MC or the Altima. You can pick up an Altima MC for cheap at a junkyard. Get a later model one, as to assure the seals are good.

How big are the PowerStop rotors, nopionline does not give the dimensions. scmser, is that the setup that you are running?

Originally posted by MaddMatt
...must....control.....keyboard...of death.....



LOL... I knew that was coming.

Originally posted by MaddMatt
...must....control.....keyboard...of death.....

I'd like to know more details about this accident.

Just to be sure you are not now recommending slotted/drilled rotors are you?

Originally posted by 98sr20ve
Just to be sure you are not now recommending slotted/drilled rotors are you?
Did you miss that thread? These are the only rotors matt recommends, all else is junk. *duck*

http://www.ricks2k.com/products/images/brakes/new1.jpg

;)

yes calum you have driven a set of stock pads. my car has always ran stock pads. dont remember if you drove it with the stock brakes or not. but stock nissan pads and ad22vf's are WAY more than needed in sensable driving. if you are fadeing them you are driving ass stupid like a ricer on the streets. if they are mushy then you havent kept them up.