...Bring the VE engines or VVL engines to the states? Honda has been making VTEC since what 1990? And now that Nissan has the technology why do they not want that engine over here? I'm dumbfounded...

It's too late, they should have put this in the spec-V though:mad: :mad: :mad:

Air quality and fuel efficiency standards, combined with the fact that Americans don't care about Japanese entry-level cars with kickass engines. G20s and Sentras are each bottom of the line, and how many Altima owners do you know have a five-speed and like it? It's just too expensive to develop three engines for one platform, from a bean-counter perspective.

That said...

The SE-R ("Classic") was a fluke. Nissan took a big risk by building it and selling it, and they reaped enormous benefits. Same story, basically, but on a smaller scale with the G20t. Unfortunately, Nissan ran into some financial trouble that culminated only a couple of years into the SE-R's production life. This made Nissan Americas cars kind of boring in the mid-late '90s, but they kept a couple of cars barely breathing. When Renault started putting Nissan shiny-side-up again, other car manufacturers had already noticed that sport compact cars would sell, which is why we have such a nice offering now (Protege MP3, Neon ACR, Civic Si).

It takes YEARS to develop a car for production. You get a bunch of people in a room, start throwing around ideas, and start scribbling notes on pads and drawing sketches on napkins at resturaunts. You get engineers and analysts and production managers involved; artists, market studies, focus groups, and whipcracker program chiefs. Then the accountants show up with their ideas about what a car should cost, caring little about how it should act for the sake of how it will sell.

NeoVVL is awesome. CVT is a lot cheaper, though, and does a lot of the same things, almost as well. The QR engine is in use in no less than four Nissan platforms (the only ones I know of; there could be more). Renault needed a flexible engine, one that would work in all countries, fit all emissions standards, and not cost a year's revenue to build. The SR is pretty much at the end of it's life cycle, but the knowledge they gained was applied in new engines like the QR, QG, and VQ. All is not lost, but we won't get NeoVVL in it's present incarnation for a lot of reasons.

What I wouldn't give to have an '03 SE-R Spec-V with an SR20VE-20V under the hood, though...

now think about the massive recall of Altimas and Sentras with the 2.5 L and ask the bean counters if they were counting on that one?

The QR is was a first-year engine in the '02 model year. They had to make a couple of changes to cut costs and improve emissions, and the bean counters lost that one. Guess what? It's fixed now. Let's please not turn this into a QR bash-fest; neither you nor I can do anything about it. JWT has embraced the engine, so let's be grown ups and do the same when necessary.

If they did bring the VE to the states and say put it in a new sentra, How much do you think it would sell for? $25-30K? That might also hinder the sales of the new 350z, because for almost half the price of the 350, you could get the sentra that would come close or out perform the 350.

No reason for the VE to add more then 500 or so to the price of a car. It is not that much different in most ways.

if they mass produce the VE engine the cost will go way down. Problem is Nissan don't want to take the risk of introducing a relatively small displacment engine into the US (peple here like torque). If they make the SR20VE into a standard engine platform for all over the world the cost would've been much lower.

Hehehe; you haven't seen what a stock SR20VE's torque curve looks like, have you? ;) Yeah, it sucks that the VE didn't actually make it here, but we're getting by. Consider the fact that importing and shipping an SR20VE costs a QUARTER the amount of just having a Nissan stealership rebuild an SR20DE, and I'd say we've come up smelling like roses.

actually I have seen the torque curve ;) I love that engine to death and I would love to get my hands on one, however consider my DE only have 84k miles on it so far I think it'll be a while before I get to swap a new engine in hehe.

hmmm...if the ITR's and Si's were selling..then i dont know why not the Ve's would sell...VVl vs.VTEC...

Because Honda is a more profitable automaker in the US. See above-mentioned financial troubles at Nissan in the '90s...

I think because Nissan USA doesn't want to follow Nissan UK and Japan etc, etc and be a leader in there own way.........f-ers.

Here is my take, for the SR20VE to be smog legal it would need the EGR and probably all the other emission stuff the DE has. So unless they make a new IM it wouldn't pass emissions. Look at what they had to do to the DE to get it to pass. If the engine made 190hp in japan, given US emission restrictions I bet the power would fall to around 180hp or maybe 175hp at the flywheel. Given that fact that it makes nearly the same power as the QR25 and in a heavier car, it wouldn't be that fast. Also not all of us like having to rev the engine over 4500rpm to get moving quickly. IMHO I like the QR power band better than a SR20, more lowend torque and power up top.

Given an OEM airbox, exhaust and header, I don't see the VE making much more power than a QR25. Then you have less torque in a car that weighs close to 2700lb. It was cheaper for nissan to just use the QR since the altima shares the engine too. Don't get me wrong I'd love a VE, but given a B15 the QR is a better choice. Besides what good is having a VE if it would only rev to 6700rpm like the roller SR in the B15s?

Just to add to this, if Nissan would have brought the SR20DET Silvia here they would have dominated the market. We all like rear drive cars and the SR20DET Silvia would have been the most affordable car that would hold its own against even bigger engine cars.

Now as far as bringing the SR20VE here Nissan would have made a killing. What would have happened if Nissan had left the SR20DE as the bottom based Sentra, the SR20VE as the SE-R and the SR20VET as the AWD Spec V to compete against the EVO and the STI. There would have been no xtra money spent in development on newer engines like the CRAPPY QR25 and whatever that 1.8 Senta motor is. As far as passing emmission the VE motors would have passed hands down. As for the SR20DE all they needed to do is go with a smaller cumbustion chamber and smaller cams. The aftermarket cams would have taken care of the car as it cam out.

What alot have people have not realized is Honda has followed Nissan past plans where Nissan has gone away from the direction that had brought them to the top. Here are some Examples. Win on the track on Sunday and Win on sales on Monday to Friday. Everyone wants to be assosiated with a winner. Build cars that are user friendly and interchangable. Nissan of old L16 L18 L20 Motors found in the 510 and Pickup truck linup. Then there was the L20, L24, L26, L28 and LD28. These engines were found in the Fairladys Z, 240Z, 260Z, 280Z, 280ZX, and 810 Maxima. In the late 60s to mid 80s you could build almost any combination of motor by mix matching these engines as far as high revers, high compression, big strokers, big piston motors. The heads were all interchangables E30, E31, E88, N42, N47,N72, P90, P90A. This is all from 1970-83. All these parts could be bought over the counter.

Honda has followed every example of what made Nissan pouplar in the 70 and 80s and have put it into there game plan for the late 80s till now. Over the counter parts sales is big profit and Nissn has nothing comapred to Honda. Also look at the interchangability of the Honda Motors. I could go on but will stop until Friday.

Nissan Needs Me to Run Ship and I bet the bullshit up top would stop. Nissans top dogs are their own worst enimies. They are thinking so old school and not willing to adapt while Honda does.

Nissan needs guys workin for them with BALLS. not a bunch of yes men, who just talk about how great their product is when they know down deep inside the stuff sucks.

So that you know I have owned more Nissan than you would like to think and it hurts to talk the truth, but someone needs to say it.

I don't think that the people who call shots reallize that their decisions suck. Most of them are former bean counters. Need to take some Samurai classes or some shit.

i agree with dre every car manufacturer is pretty much coming out with turbo cars and those companies are gonna dominate the 16-25 age bracket right away *** young kids want turbo.Nissan said they stopped making the sr20 because of emissions but they could have done the smaller cams and a few other things to pass.I personally would love to see Nissan come out with a us spec pulsar with a sr20ve and a pulsar with sr20det i think these cars look hott and they would take over the civic si , mazda protege,toyota matrix ect.i think Nissan could develope the pulsar in us spec to pass emissions and still be around 200bhp

I guess no one has mentioned that the whole point of VTEC was to allow emmissions testing on the smaller cams and good HP on the bigger cams. Nissan could have done this if they had the money. They use the QR as a world motor just like they used to do with the SR. THe SR's time had just run out. What a shame.

NismoSER and I were just talking about this the other day.

Take a look ate the Chrysler corporation. Those numbskulls spit out more turbo cars in the 80's and 90's than any other company i can think of. Granted, they all blew up, but I mean, they even turbocharged a freekin mini van.

If nissan had a couple of brass balled cowboys like their's kicking ideas around the board meeting, we'd all be scrambling to buy $3000 gearsets for our trannys and I would have lost my license a long time ago.