Hello,

I just got my bone stock (except for 205 potenza RE92’s) 95 200sx SE-R with no accidents and only 45k! So far so good. Before planning to start any mods I like to have my goals and priorities straight. But I need your help in deciding how to reach my goals.

Goal:

Reliable, clean looking daily driver of the sleeper variety. I think I would be happy with about 200whp.

Priorities:

1) Stock like reliability (quality)
2) Pass Smog check (aircare up here in Canada)
3) Cost
4) Ability to return to stock set up
5) Not too difficult. I want to do most of the work myself, I have access to a machine shop
6) Performance


I figure that turbo will be my eventual route, but I do not know what set up I should run. I am a real newbie to swaps and turbo set ups so bear with me. After DD I figure the blue bird manifold w/ t25 turbo and some sort of FMIT would do the trick. With my low mileage DE I figure I might save some money by bolting on instead of an entire swap, right? Or should I drop in a DET from a bluebird.

So this is where I get confused. Running about 6-8psi of boost, what parts off my DE can I still use? Do I have to get the JWT ECU? How about injectors, fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator, etc. What EXACTLY do I need to get a clean, reliable set up? As far as water and oil lines to the turbo: Where on the block do you have to tap into? Do I have to drop the oil pan to do it right, or is there a trick? If I go back to NA can I just plug the hole with a bolt? Where do the coolant lines normally splice into? What kind of damage $$ am I looking at ball park?

So until I figure out my turbo situation, I think I will just limit my NA bolt-ons to stuff I can carry over to the turbo set up.


Long post, lots-o-questions, sorry.

Originally posted by momotaro

Goal:

Reliable, clean looking daily driver of the sleeper variety. I think I would be happy with about 200whp.



A Bluebird DET turbo setup on your DE will do just that! Terry Vincent ( www.ftfmotorsports.com ) has this exact setup on his 92 Sentra SE-R and he just dynoed 212 whp this weekend @ the AZ SERCA Dyno Day! If you are looking at this setup, I can get it for you!

Since you have a low mileage engine, I dont recommend going with a BB det swap. Because you might end up getting a more mileage det engine. If you have around $4000, you can go for the FMAX stage 1 kit. (you'd get a T3/04 turbo which is a much bigger turbo than BB's T25 ). Or there is an option of going for NOS, which isn't my personal favorite. JWT makes a very reliable NOS system, but I can't remember the price.
Hope this helps,
Nick

Originally posted by 1BAD_NX
Since you have a low mileage engine, I dont recommend going with a BB det swap. Because you might end up getting a more mileage det engine. If you have around $4000, you can go for the FMAX stage 1 kit. (you'd get a T3/04 turbo which is a much bigger turbo than BB's T25 ). Or there is an option of going for NOS, which isn't my personal favorite. JWT makes a very reliable NOS system, but I can't remember the price.
Hope this helps,
Nick

I do agree, that he doesn't need to do the DET swap, but like i suggested above was to get the Bluebird DET components and put them on your DE!

I do not agree with the FMAX Stage I kit only because the Factory BB DET turbo setup is very streetable and is about as close to stock as you can get, whereas the FMAX Kit will have a lot more lag than the T25 setup! The FMAX Stage I kit may be a bit "Overkill" for what his goals are! 200 whp is very easily attainable with the BB DET turbo components matched up with a good front mount!

Thanks for pointing that out APEXSER, I failed to see that the goal was 200hp. So FMAX is a definite overkill for that, a BB bolt on is definitly the way to go.
Nick

Do you have to have turbo. You could do the bolt on's and spray a 50 or 100 shot from JWT. That will keep the daily driver for you.

Originally posted by momotaro
Hello,

Goal:

Reliable, clean looking daily driver of the sleeper variety. I think I would be happy with about 200whp.

Priorities:

1) Stock like reliability (quality)
2) Pass Smog check (aircare up here in Canada)
3) Cost
4) Ability to return to stock set up
5) Not too difficult. I want to do most of the work myself, I have access to a machine shop
6) Performance

Long post, lots-o-questions, sorry.

Yeah, dude...the priorities you give spell out 3 cute little letters...N-O-S! ;) A JWT 50 shot system is tons of fun and not much will be able to hang with you on the street. Race gas and a .040" - .041" jet on this system has gotten other SE-R draggers down to the low 13s @ 103-104, with the standard breathing mods (I/H/E). [Disclaimer: Do not try this unless you know what the hell you are doing, I do not claim responsibility for you playing with NOS jettings and a proven program.]

Doing a turbo "right" will be at least a couple grand and with a project that big, a bunch of little things always pop up and add to the total cost, which adds up real quick. For 200whp, you'll need the bb setup, which is mani, turbo, j-pipe, oil/coolant lines, and injectors. You'll also need a JWT ECU, FMIC + piping, tapping the block for the oil lines, gauges, etc. With everything tuned correctly, expect mid-high 13s @ 101-103 down the strip, get a boost controller, throw in some race gas, and turn up the boost and you can hit high 12s if your balls are big enough (depends on how much you want to push that little T25). ;)

A low-buck turbo setup can be done, but it'll take a while to source parts yourself and you'll have to lay everything out to do the install in a weekend. With NOS, just order your kit, get stuff, bolt it in a few hours, fill the bottle, and try to wipe that grin off your face every time you flip that inconspicuous switch. :) People will tell you that refilling the bottle all the time gets annoying, but just ask SERprise in WV about having your own NOS refill station in his garage, refills for him cost less than $10 I believe! (just do a search, you'll see what I mean...I got so jealous when I saw that ;))

I guess the best thing is to price out both options and see what's best for yourself. It's tough to put a price on convenience and ease-of-install, but I'll let you figure that out for yourself. NOS has both good points and bad points, but either way good luck and enjoy the SE-R!

i am pretty sure that I want to go turbo with the t25 and blue bird manifold. What kind of FMIT can a make work, or should i just buy a kit? What else will I need? Will the stock ecu or the bb ecu work, or do I have to get the JWT ecu?



I am pretty sure I do not want to go nitrous.

Thanks for your input.

Originally posted by momotaro
i am pretty sure that I want to go turbo with the t25 and blue bird manifold. What kind of FMIT can a make work, or should i just buy a kit? What else will I need? Will the stock ecu or the bb ecu work, or do I have to get the JWT ecu?



I am pretty sure I do not want to go nitrous.

Thanks for your input.

You will need to go with a Reprogrammed JWT ECU! You can use any Intercooler you want! You will have to get intercooler piping made based on the intercooler you use!

yeah,

as these guys were saying, because i have the det components on a de, and i haven't had a single problem. It actually runs, drives, idles better than when it was n/a, lol!

make sure you get the jwt ecu and injectors:)

Hey Momotaro I got a real nice pacage deal for you. New JWT turbo comp $570 shipped, Bored MAF $110 shipped, 370 cc inj used $285 shipped, New GTIR Turbo, New Manifold, New heatsheilds, New Gaskets, New Turbo outletpipe and Turbo inlet pipe fully asembelled for $1,365 shipped. New 3 inch EX system fully mandrel bent using aluminized steal cat back with APEX N1 or DUNK for $625 shipped. All you have to do is have some one instale it and get yourself an intercooler and pipe it in for say $800.

If you go with this setup I promise your car will run between 12.8-13.2 1/4 mile times at 109-112 MPH. You will have about 250 WHP. This will all be accomplished at 9-11 PSI.

Total of all parts listed above is $3,755 including shiping to you. You will end up paying about $800-1,000 to get it instaled. If the WHP seems alitlle high for 370cc inj do not worry I got some tricks up my sleeve with the comp work and bored MAF. Also remember that price included a 3 inch Exhaust system which the other kits do not include from say FMAX or HOTSHOT.

So is this the Andreas Miko turbo kit?

Damn, if I wasn't going DET, I would jump on this in a second.

The Pulsar GTIR setup is one of the best ones for someone on a budget.

If you buy a BB motor I have one that will put your car at 11.5-11.7 1/4 mile times at 123-125 mph. After you sell the turbo set up from the BB motor for say $550 and your 370cc for $250. I can get u a Ballbearing turbo *** uses a T25 flange that bolts to the GTIR manifold and with some portwork tol the runners for extra flow. The Turbo is called a GTBB37 and can produce 450 hp which is about 390-400 WHP. This is not an HKS turbo and can be had for a lot less than the HKS turbos.

Hey Andreas, this bb turbo that your mentioning...whats the price on it? How readily available is it; i mean do you stock it? As for the manifold, pricing on the port work too would be nice or would it just be better just to call you for this setup?

Andreas, im quite intrested in what you just mentioned, I was planing on getting a GTi-R manifold and getting a T3 flange on it..... on a side note, I can't wait till john gets your trick setup with the 370's. I (or maybe john) will call you.

Yeah, I'm interested in this trick BB turbo set up too. I know I'm going DET (hopefully the thing will get in before the year ends!), and I was planning on having fun with that for about a year or two, but it would be nice to upgrade after that.

At what rpms will this turbo start making boost at? At what boost level will be able to attain the 390-400whp? C'mon, don't tease us. ;)

Hey Andreas,

"I can get u a Ballbearing turbo *** uses a T25 flange that bolts to the GTIR manifold and with some portwork tol the runners for extra flow. The Turbo is called a GTBB37 and can produce 450 hp which is about 390-400 WHP. This is not an HKS turbo and can be had for a lot less than the HKS turbos."

How much does that turbo run for? does it have an internal wastegate? how much do yiou charge for the portwork on the gtir manifold?

Chris
92 BB det

The turbo will cost you $1,900 with internal wastegate. The GTIR manifold will cost $325 shipped to you, port and weld work to the manifold will cost $120. the total is $2,345. I will Email pics of the manifold to you.

Originally posted by Andreas Miko
The turbo will cost you $1,900 with internal wastegate. The GTIR manifold will cost $325 shipped to you, port and weld work to the manifold will cost $120. the total is $2,345. I will Email pics of the manifold to you.

Damn Andreas, I thought you said the turbo would be LESS than an HKS. The GT3037 price I got was $1700 but the availability at the time was like 90 days out so I went with the T3/T4.

Is this the Incon or Innovative turbo?

That $1,900 price includes Turbo, wastegate, EX Flange and fabrication work to mount the wastegate to turbo. The HKS turbo GT3037 price is just turbo for $1,700. The GT3037 is only made for external wastegate. The GTBB37 can be used for internal or external wastegate. Also the GTBB37 turbo has a much better flowing rear housing if you get it with the T25 turbine EX housing. Jay Hass I will try and email you pics of the turbo. Tell me what you think.