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Old 11-27-2007, 10:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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More Speakers=Better?

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Old 11-27-2007, 11:38 AM   #2 (permalink)
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it should get louder if placement is good and they dont cause disstortion. 1 distorted or blown speaker will ruin a system.
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Old 11-27-2007, 12:48 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Actually more speakers=worse. Think about it. Music is recorded in stereo, so all you need is a left and a right up front. When you start adding speakers behind you, you throw off the soundstage and imaging becomes almost impossible(not counting a subwoofer as bass is non-directional). Have you ever been to a concert and heard music coming from behind you? Adding speakers may make it a tad bit louder but an adequate component set up front would be the best option and provide enough listening volume for 90% of audio enthusiasts. If you watch movies in your vehicle then you might want to add speakers for a 5.1 or 7.1 surround.

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Old 11-27-2007, 02:13 PM   #4 (permalink)
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i think less is definitly more when it comes to speakers.

you want mids and highs in front and the more Bassy speakers in the rear obviously..but a good set of speaers verse alot of medocre speakers definitly would be better
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:04 PM   #5 (permalink)
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less = better because more = more draw from your amps and stereo which = more strain on your whole audio setup, thats why if you upgrade your speakers and keep your head unit factory it will still distort at higher volumes because your new speakers can handle more power therefore they draw more power from the head unit which causes strain on your head unit. Once you add a new head unit, the sound quality will get better because you have more watts per channel, but most times it will still distort, thats where amps come into play.
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
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less = better because more = more draw from your amps and stereo which = more strain on your whole audio setup, thats why if you upgrade your speakers and keep your head unit factory it will still distort at higher volumes because your new speakers can handle more power therefore they draw more power from the head unit which causes strain on your head unit. Once you add a new head unit, the sound quality will get better because you have more watts per channel, but most times it will still distort, thats where amps come into play.
That makes no sense, adding speakers doesn't necessarily create more draw from an amplifier. You can actually add speakers and have less draw. It would depend on the voice coil and how it's wired.
Again, no sense. Speakers don't draw power. Therefore upgrading speakers will not strain your H/U at all.

Holy crap. More power doesn't give you less distortion.
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Old 11-27-2007, 07:41 PM   #7 (permalink)
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if you have 200watt amp

4 50 watt speakers = 200watts

the more speakers the more the power is going to be divided from the amp to the speakers.

more speakers you have thebigger you amp will need to divide the watts to xx ammount of speakers

more power will lead to more distortion if the rms of the speakers are lower than the rms of the amp and the amp is giving great watts to the speakers than they can hold.

and again less is more with a system.
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Old 11-28-2007, 11:33 AM   #8 (permalink)
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That makes no sense, adding speakers doesn't necessarily create more draw from an amplifier. You can actually add speakers and have less draw. It would depend on the voice coil and how it's wired.
Again, no sense. Speakers don't draw power. Therefore upgrading speakers will not strain your H/U at all.

Holy crap. More power doesn't give you less distortion.
you're thinking in terms of ohms.

with watts it's tottaly different. see above post.
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Old 11-28-2007, 03:29 PM   #9 (permalink)
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you're thinking in terms of ohms.

with watts it's tottaly different. see above post.
yeah your right I used the wrong word
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Old 11-28-2007, 03:38 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Actually more speakers=worse.
That is application specific at best.

I would say that Bose, Infinity, and a whole bunch of car audio system engineers would disagree with you completely.

"Here's your new Lexus with two-speakers upfront for imaging, and a subwoofer in the trunk. We only put in two front speakers because it's like a rock-concert in your car. Never mind if you are in the backseat. Just remember that more speakers=worse."

What if you prefer a discotheque oriented sound system instead of a rock-concert sound system? I am intimately familiar with both, I did Sound Lighting and Video contracting for over a dozen years. The discotheque invariably has four (4) or more mid-hi speakers surrounding the dancefloor, possibly extra super-tweeters, plus a massive bass system. That is what I prefer, speakers surrounding me.

Bose put nine (9) speakers in my Tahoe on purpose. You think Bose knows anything about engineering and designing a car stereo?
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:18 PM   #11 (permalink)
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i agree that application specific is best... and then it comes to quality of speakers used, i would take 2 high end speakers over 4 crappy speakers any day.

i think you always see higher end companies using more speakersbut they arent just coming up with a number and putting them in the car, they all serve a purpose highs,mids,lows,ect all working towards a higher purpose
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:46 PM   #12 (permalink)
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i agree that application specific is best... and then it comes to quality of speakers used, i would take 2 high end speakers over 4 crappy speakers any day.

i think you always see higher end companies using more speakersbut they arent just coming up with a number and putting them in the car, they all serve a purpose highs,mids,lows,ect all working towards a higher purpose
Bingo. And define "speaker". Are we talking about individual drivers? Not passive crossovers in the back of the mid-hi (speaker), but actual three and four way (or more) systems with electronic crossovers before the amps?

Then even in a "rock concert" soundstage in your car, you are talking about (2) subs (yes, I prefer subs in stereo for certain dance-oriented cuts), two (2) mids, and two (2) highs, which is six (6) drivers total. Five it you are OK with your sub(s) in mono. If you want to do it right, each of those components (either five or six drivers) should have their own amplifier channel, with an electronic crossover splitting the signal after the 31 band stereo equalizer.

You want to go active four-way with just a simple "rock concert" layout and you need either seven (7) channels for a mono-sub system, or eight (8) for subs in stereo.

If you want to get loony, you could put in speakers in the rear and delay them by some crazy milli-second delay and get them all "hitting" at once. Even in a rock-concert they do this, put in secondary fill speakers on a delay. Unless they have some massive center-cluster or line-array set-up that can hit the back row with proper SPL's.

Plus in a car system you would have to consider secondary sound waves that have bounced off the interior of the car.

Sort of what Bose does when they design a nine (9) speaker system for your....Tahoe.

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Old 11-30-2007, 11:12 AM   #13 (permalink)
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What you need to think about is. Is it worth it. More speakers will create more sound waves in the car but depending on frequence and placement it could cancel out or add to the amplitude of the sound wave. But in general there will be an increase in sound production. Is the added complexity of the system worth the increase in volume? not likely. You would be better off buying higher quality audio componets and putting the old spreakers in someone elses car.
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Old 11-30-2007, 11:17 AM   #14 (permalink)
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^ i think alot of what you said pertains to just doing exactly that. you have pointed out that initally having more speakers could be less benifical if going with higher end components i agree
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Old 11-30-2007, 09:53 PM   #15 (permalink)
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not needed.

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Old 11-30-2007, 10:42 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Dude. You should put a big ass box with 4 12" solobaric subwoofers in the rear since you have all that space. That sh!t would firkin bump!
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Old 12-03-2007, 01:52 PM   #17 (permalink)
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solobarics are garabage my opnion
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Old 12-03-2007, 05:47 PM   #18 (permalink)
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not needed.

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Old 12-03-2007, 07:14 PM   #19 (permalink)
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X2 on solobarics being junk. Not once have I heard them perform well. I personally would take JL over solobaric any day. The sound is just tighter and fuller.
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