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Hey people im a newbie here obviously. I've recently deffered from toyota to opt for some Nissan Performance.
I know how forums work and i have made searches within the "Australia" section only specifically and nothin has come up. I was wondering if anyone knew of where i can get a sr20ve or if i have to, a sr16ve in Sydney??
The only place so far i know is SSS automotive in Girraween but even then i'm unsure as they advertise in Hot4s SR20de VVT so i'm not sure.
I'm really looking to beef up my NX coupe but at the end of the day my goal is to beat a Honda.... and maybe one day my mates Sportivo.....
Don't know if you have tried http://forum.pulsar.org.au, but go there and do a search, or post up a thread there if you have no luck searching. There is much more info there for Australia specific issues.
Once you find one, let me know where you got it from and how much, as i'm looking at doing exactly the same thing to my NX at the moment.
Cheers, and good luck with your conversion if you go ahead with it - your mate's sportivo won't be an issue once you're VE powered
Check out the cams that are being developed by JWT (on this forum) for a great VE power upgrade.
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Hey mate,
Yeh i'm thinking of doing it, but i may do an SR16ve instead as i read i think on here somewhere or on the pulsar group that the SR20ve cannot be used for road due to emmisions.... however, my question is, how did "Miss Nismo" in Adelaide get it done. on her site she claimed that it didn't need to be engineered. Does this rule vary within different states?
Also i cannot post this on to the pulsar group as i am not a member and at the moment they have frozen registration... so if anyone could post this for us it would be greatly appreciated....
Whether or not a converted car needs to be engineered or not depends on each state's laws. Last I heard, in Victoria, any time a modification is done that gives the car more than a 10 or 15% increase in power (can't remember which one), it needs to be engineered to be proven to still be safe. The laws may have changed recently.
In regards to emmissions with engine conversions, last I knew (in Vic.), the emmissions equipment needs to comply with the year of manufacture of the newer component (car or engine), ie. if swapping in an sr20ve made in 1996 into a car made in 1992, the emmissions equipment would need to be upgraded to comply with the Australian emmissions laws of 1996.
I think you'll find most people who have done swaps (VE's and even DET's) are relying on the stupidity/lack of knowledge of Vicroads (or the RTA in sydney?) by saying they have swapped engines because theirs died, after all it is still an SR20! This allows them to have the correct engine number registered for their car, but I doubt they are complying with the law.
Another thing I think people may be confused about is that they think the engines don't need to be engineered because they are a direct bolt in, and don't require any fabrication or welding to make the engine fit. This would definately make the engineering of the car easier, as an engineer doesn't have to evaluate the quality of welds/fabrication, but engineering goes beyond that to determine if the entire car is now safe given the increase in power.
There have been many people who say that you don't even need to engineer a Pulsar for a DET swap, I highly doubt that you can nearly double the standard power without having it engineered.
Sorry for the long post, it is hard to explain all this in shorter form. If you do it, go for the 20ve, not the 16ve, as all these factors would still apply to a 16ve conversion. You should check out your states road authority website to see what info you can find out.
An engine which is not of the same type as offered by the manufacturer of the vehicle as original, but is similar in power, weight and emission standards to that of the original engine, may be fitted to such a vehicle. If alteration to the vehicle's frame or structure is involved and specially fabricated supports or structures are used an Approval Certificate must be supplied.
Where it is intended to fit an engine which is significantly different from that offered by the manufacturer as original or an option, (e.g. four to six cylinder or six to eight cylinder), then an Approval Certificate is required as evidence that the vehicle in its modified form is safe and meets all the applicable construction and emission regulations for that model. It is recommended that a VASS signatory is consulted before commencement of this type of modification.
I had a quick look, here is a quote from the Vicroads website. According to this info, the sr20ve is not similar in power, so it is not legal to be fitted without an approval certificate (not sure if that is what an engineers certificate is or not).
if we were to a put in the 20ve... i'm guessing the only real safety check they would do is stopping power.... like my turbo starlet... i had drums at the back but took the GT brakes for the front which was ok.... the only thing tht prevented me from engineering it was the emmision... had to get a better cat or something....
but since the nx has 4 disc brakes.... u reckon stock would be ok? coz i know thats one of the main things they check.... especially since the 20ve is a direct bolt-on apart from dizzy and other stuff... there would be no weldings.....
also the vicroads thing sounds almost the same as the nsw one.....
An engineer wouldn't require a brake upgrade - 4 wheel discs and ABS (on some) should be heaps. It's the small things that they might pick that you won't even think of...I couldn't even speculate what they might pick.
I have had a car engineered years ago with an engine swap with a similar sort of power upgrade (percentage wise) that the VE would give us. It ended up costing lots...but it was a more major upgrade, technology wise, than the DE to VE swap would be for us.
Anyway, even if there would be very little required to change the car the engineers time to evaluate the car is costly enough....on top of an already very expensive conversion.
On another topic, have you researched ECU options yet? This is the one aspect I am trying to find out the best solution for, and is keeping me from getting started on a conversion, for now.
apparently u have to re-wire the ve ecu... the diagram is in the sr20ve/sr16ve section, however its in jap so a non electrician dude like me cant really read it.... electricians can read the schematics of it ***.... not necessarily need to be done by the mechanic....
actually stuff the ecu... the more and more i read on the pulsar group the more more i'm lead to believe their rare to find.... thats why i'm kinda giving up. i'm thinking just trying to import a 16ve and doing what it says on the tech section:
"If you are an SR16VE owner you can install a 2001 Nissan SE 4 counterweight crank with new rods and pistons to increase displacement to 2.0L. Specifics on the rods and pistons are currently being tested and we will provide more information as it is available"
It doesnt make it a sr20ve but i reckon the power would be close enough... and it would be legal here in nsw!!! i just remembered reading the light vehicle modifications guidline. that 15% power rule isn't for power... its talking about displacement!!!! check your vicroads thing again to make sure!!!!!
I don't want to stuff around re-wiring the car with a VE ECU and loom, too much time and wasted money. The guys here on this forum mostly use the stock DE ECU re-progammed by JWT in the U.S. - for us it would be very expensive and time consuming as you have to send them your ECU to have it re-programmed. I need to look at piggyback ECU's such as the e-manage....and use it to tune the VE on a dyno for the correct fuel maps.
Cost again would be a factor of converting a 16ve to 2.0 litre - crank, rods and pistons = big dollars! What is it that you know that makes you think the 16ve would be legal whereas the 20ve wouldn't be?
The guys here are generally making anything from 160- 190 whp from their 20VE's with header and exhaust. Add the JWT cams that are in the works and they are looking at about 210 - 220whp, for what is basically bolt on mods only, no rebuilding, no full-on internal modifications. I like the sound of that....
If you have an NX as well, man we could use each others heads!!!
it's friggen hard to find stuff for NX's in Sydney.
mate im from Blacktown area....
at the moment i am NX-less due to overheating issues which i'm getting looked at....almost blew up my car driving with the heat on redline.... my radiator cap blew off and left a trail of steam... fArk!!!!
but yeh i've done some severe looking around for the NX and thers not many parts for em.... my only real goal is to be on par with a sportivo/vti-r or a satria gti. there was a gti in Hot4s a while ago that was doing 141kw or something from exhaust mods and some other stuff... cant remember...
but yeh in terms of kits check the email i seent ya...
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