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Old 01-21-2005, 03:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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SCCA IT Rules

Can you run the NISMO brakes in IT. IT rules indicate the smaller rotors but I think you could update to the later 200 SX SE-R "trunk kit."
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Old 01-21-2005, 03:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Nope. Only the NX2000 can have as they are stock. 200SX's will have to return to stock brakes for IT.
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Old 01-21-2005, 05:04 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Nope. Only the NX2000 can have as they are stock. 200SX's will have to return to stock brakes for IT.
Anybody ever try to appeal on "errors and omissions"
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Old 01-21-2005, 05:17 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Why is it an error? The trunk kits were all mods that weren't allowed by the rules otherwise, and a fiasco if you ask me.
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Old 01-21-2005, 05:42 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Why is it an error? The trunk kits were all mods that weren't allowed by the rules otherwise, and a fiasco if you ask me.
I think because Japanesse SE-Rs were imported with the NISMO brakes and sold to the public constitutes an omission.
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Old 01-21-2005, 06:24 PM   #6 (permalink)
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All se-r's made between the 91 - 94 year are build in the good old USA.

The NX's were all produced in Japan.

If I'm wrong... well, it wouldn't have been the first time.
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Old 01-21-2005, 06:32 PM   #7 (permalink)
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[Were the SE-Rs ever built with ABS. That would include the bigger brakes. The parts guys always ask me if it has ABS and where it was made. I assumed that meant that their were options.
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Old 01-21-2005, 06:37 PM   #8 (permalink)
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[Were the SE-Rs ever built with ABS.
Yes, I have one.

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That would include the bigger brakes.
No, my sentra did not have bigger brakes... I added the NX AD22 brakes to it though.

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It's a mistake it their system... that's all
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Old 01-21-2005, 08:25 PM   #9 (permalink)
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[Every time the parts guy asked me the same question. I looked at him straight faced and told him if he could show me documentation on a Japanese built SE-R, I'd give him a $100. I never got any Documentation.


The Omission was that Nissan Never brought any Japanese SE-R's to the US.
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Old 01-21-2005, 08:43 PM   #10 (permalink)
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It does seem absurd to deture a SS car to run in a prepared class. Oh well, Jerry, here I come.
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Old 01-22-2005, 02:36 AM   #11 (permalink)
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It does seem absurd to deture a SS car to run in a prepared class. Oh well, Jerry, here I come.
Well, that's because of those poorly thought out "trunk kits."

You won't get the NX brakes through the rules since a SE-R owner sits on the Improved Touring Advisory Committe and knows better.
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Old 01-22-2005, 04:34 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Well, that's because of those poorly thought out "trunk kits."

You won't get the NX brakes through the rules since a SE-R owner sits on the Improved Touring Advisory Committe and knows better.
Know anybody on the Comp Board?
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Old 01-22-2005, 11:14 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Know anybody on the Comp Board?
Yeah, our liasons. (I'm a member of the ITAC)

Seriously, don't even dream about getting those brakes allowed in IT. Won't happen. It (trunk kits) was a bad idea for SS and would be an even worse idea for IT.
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Old 01-22-2005, 01:35 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Is there a good reason why 2 cars who are essentially absolutely identicle under the sheet metal cannot have the same brakes? SE-R brakes are a joke, and a dangerous one at that. Now that they've moved to ITA, they've added weight to the car which will stress hopelessly inadequate brakes even more. These things are Civic brakes, at best. If we had Civic weight (~2000 lbs) and Civic hp (108), no problem.

This is a safety issue I personally think the SCCA should reconsider.
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Old 01-22-2005, 03:10 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Is there a good reason why 2 cars who are essentially absolutely identicle under the sheet metal cannot have the same brakes? SE-R brakes are a joke, and a dangerous one at that. Now that they've moved to ITA, they've added weight to the car which will stress hopelessly inadequate brakes even more. These things are Civic brakes, at best. If we had Civic weight (~2000 lbs) and Civic hp (108), no problem.

This is a safety issue I personally think the SCCA should reconsider.
Finally, someone who things the same as me. Must be a good person indeed.
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Old 01-22-2005, 04:34 PM   #16 (permalink)
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i just have a question.. as far as i know.. there never was as JDM SE-R.. the Sentra was orignally a North America market car... not made in Japan..

personally i've yet to have real trouble with my brakes on a road course.. but then again i'm not driving 10/10s out there either yet...
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Old 01-22-2005, 06:49 PM   #17 (permalink)
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i just have a question.. as far as i know.. there never was as JDM SE-R.. the Sentra was orignally a North America market car... not made in Japan.
Most of us know every B13 Sentra SE-R was built in the U.S. But if you go to *any* parts store and try to order front brake pads for a B13 Sentra SE-R, the parts guy will ask you if your car was built in Japan or in the U.S.

However, some little birdie once told B13 SE-R owners that you can get re-manned, loaded AD22 calipers that way if you just play dumb.

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i just have a question.. as far as i know.. there never was as JDM SE-R.. the Sentra was orignally a North America market car... not made in Japan..

personally i've yet to have real trouble with my brakes on a road course.. but then again i'm not driving 10/10s out there either yet...
If you want brake problems go drive CMP
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Old 01-22-2005, 11:52 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Is there a good reason why 2 cars who are essentially absolutely identicle under the sheet metal cannot have the same brakes?
Yes.

The SE-R never came with them.

The two cars cannot be listed on the same spec line because they have different coachwork (I argued for it).

If you want to run NX brakes, run an NX.

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SE-R brakes are a joke, and a dangerous one at that.
That is not what we have found racing Grover's SE-R.

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Now that they've moved to ITA, they've added weight to the car which will stress hopelessly inadequate brakes even more.
Horsepuckey. I've out braked virtually every car I've raced against. I even out braked a 911, a car that is known for excellent brakes. If you want to talk about woeful brakes, let's talk about the 240Z. But it still even turns faster lap times than an SE-R.

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This is a safety issue I personally think the SCCA should reconsider.http://www.hutch-pagan.com/Products.htm
Drivers of every platform in IT have some issue they declare a safety issue. If we listened to everyone we'd all be driving GT cars in IT.
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Finally, someone who things the same as me. Must be a good person indeed.
Must be.
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