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Old 09-09-2006, 11:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Honda 2.0L question

How many variations of the Honda 2.0L K series engines are there? And at what HP?
We have a Ex-Honda Michelin Civic in our class with a K20 swap (or so I'm told) and we don't seem to have any problem out pacing him in our stock SR20 powered B14 SE-R. On the back straight at Mosport he is generally able to keep up, but certainly not out power us, the car is a base 2004/5 Honda Civic DX.
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Old 09-09-2006, 11:42 AM   #2 (permalink)
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This is the 'Bearss/Young' car?

The K20 engines that came in older civics ('early 2000's) came with 160hp. I don't remember all the details but it is not real VTEC. I beleive it opens only one intake valve at low RPM for better swirl, then switches to opening all 4 valves at higher RPM, but there are no multiple camshaft profiles.

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We'll know soon. It was pretty bent but looks like it may be ready for the enduro.
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This is the 'Bearss/Young' car?

The K20 engines that came in older civics ('early 2000's) came with 160hp. I don't remember all the details but it is not real VTEC. I beleive it opens only one intake valve at low RPM for better swirl, then switches to opening all 4 valves at higher RPM, but there are no multiple camshaft profiles.

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there are 3 types of VTEC, one help emmissions with the closing of one valve for a better swirl in the chamber, one boosts power by switching the lobes on the cam, and IIRC the 3rd uses both.
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Old 09-09-2006, 05:13 PM   #7 (permalink)
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and IIRC the 3rd uses both
The third kind is i-VTEC. It is similar to BMWs Vanos, or Toyota's VVT-i in that it changes the camshaft timing relative to the crank on the fly.
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Old 09-10-2006, 07:38 AM   #8 (permalink)
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The third kind is i-VTEC. It is similar to BMWs Vanos, or Toyota's VVT-i in that it changes the camshaft timing relative to the crank on the fly.
there are actually four, the three listed above and i-VTEC that works exactly as FastNX stated.
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Old 09-10-2006, 04:06 PM   #9 (permalink)
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This is the 'Bearss/Young' car?

The K20 engines that came in older civics ('early 2000's) came with 160hp. I don't remember all the details but it is not real VTEC. I beleive it opens only one intake valve at low RPM for better swirl, then switches to opening all 4 valves at higher RPM, but there are no multiple camshaft profiles.

How is your car coming along?
You need to be corrected. You got the idea, but not quiet. The K series can range in tsx, rsx, civic, and Fit(?). The rsx engine has 200hp, jdm type r rsx has 220hp.

How v-tec works: the first stage, which is usually under 5-6K depending on engine, uses 2 of the 3 lobes. Those 2 lobes open 2 of the intake and 2 of the exh valves at a low lift and duration. The 2 intake lobes are made with slightly different to help the tumble effect.

When high rpm is reached the big lift and duration lobe kicks in. All valves are always opening and closing.

i v-tec is the same thing, BUT they also add varable valve timing for the intake cam. TIming can be changed while the vehicle is in operation to open intake cam sooner or later, which can also effect duration.

So its basically variable lift like hondas first v-tec or nissans VVL, but also has variable timing, which almost everyone has now. Toyota vvti, nissan VTC, BMW Vanos, etc etc
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the k20 out of 2000 honda civic si is only 160chp. the new "base" k20 is 197chp. both have ivtec
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You need to be corrected. You got the idea, but not quiet. The K series can range in tsx, rsx, civic, and Fit(?). The rsx engine has 200hp, jdm type r rsx has 220hp.
The Fit does NOT, I repeat does NOT have the K20A. If it did, everyone would know about it. 250 whp NA Fits, that's the end of everything for everybody.
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Old 09-11-2006, 04:53 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The Fit does NOT, I repeat does NOT have the K20A. If it did, everyone would know about it. 250 whp NA Fits, that's the end of everything for everybody.
I meant K series. That is also why I had a question mark behind it. I was not sure if the 1.6L engine it uses is a K series. The tsx uses a 2.3 or 2.4? I forgot. If they are K series, they would b similar, except certain details
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I meant K series. That is also why I had a question mark behind it. I was not sure if the 1.6L engine it uses is a K series. The tsx uses a 2.3 or 2.4? I forgot. If they are K series, they would b similar, except certain details
I am 99% sure that a 1.6L SOHC motor with VTEC making 128 hp is a lot more like a d16z6 (EG hatch si, all EX coupes and sedans until recently).
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I am 99% sure that a 1.6L SOHC motor with VTEC making 128 hp is a lot more like a d16z6 (EG hatch si, all EX coupes and sedans until recently).
I saw this show called Super Tuner Challenge, and the fit engine looked likea DOHC v-tec, but small displacemet. I guess they were doing a swap or something. I guess it does come with a SOHC v-tec.

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