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As the title says does anyone run stock class in their classic SE-R? I run it in my Spec and it's fairly competitive, but I was wondering if anyone does it in their classics?
when i first got my Classic i ran for most of a season in GS.. on Falkens no less... with r-compound it should be very competitive in GS, more so than DSP or STS.. IMHO..
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with r-compound it should be very competitive in GS, more so than DSP or STS.. IMHO..
I autoxed my classic for 2 years in GS and then a near-top-of-the-line Celica GT in GS for this past year. It was a fantastic car to start with and I learned a LOT from it. I would regularly be in contention for 1st place.
It's VERY competitive locally and maybe regionally with a good driver.
It has NO chance against the Celicas at a national level in GS.
As for its chances in DSP or STS: DSP: nah. STS: we'll see. There has only been ONE SE-R at a national level that was close to a competitive prep level.
As the title says does anyone run stock class in their classic SE-R? I run it in my Spec and it's fairly competitive, but I was wondering if anyone does it in their classics?
I autoxed my classic for 2 years in GS and then a near-top-of-the-line Celica GT in GS for this past year. It was a fantastic car to start with and I learned a LOT from it. I would regularly be in contention for 1st place.
It's VERY competitive locally and maybe regionally with a good driver.
It has NO chance against the Celicas at a national level in GS.
As for its chances in DSP or STS: DSP: nah. STS: we'll see. There has only been ONE SE-R at a national level that was close to a competitive prep level.
Andy
What celicas do so well in GS? The older ones? How much HP do they have? Just wondering what I'll be up against... I can't decide if I should concentrate on the spec or classic. I think the spec would be more competitive, but I just can't decide what to do.
What celicas do so well in GS? The older ones? How much HP do they have? Just wondering what I'll be up against... I can't decide if I should concentrate on the spec or classic. I think the spec would be more competitive, but I just can't decide what to do.
Build the spec-V up for STX. I bet you could be reasonable competitive against the WRXs. I am regionally in my NX at least. I think a well prepped SpecV could easily trophy nationally in STX, considering one did in DS last season.
Build the spec-V up for STX. I bet you could be reasonable competitive against the WRXs. I am regionally in my NX at least. I think a well prepped SpecV could easily trophy nationally in STX, considering one did in DS last season.
Eventually I will do that, but I want to go at least a season in stock class just to get some practice. I've only done two events so far. It's hard to find lightweight 17"s that aren't thousands of dollars, and then the 17" tires are more... If I go to STX I can use a 15 or 16. My plan for DS in the spec in Konis, front sway bar and some R compound... I'll just have to think on it until April when the first event is...
I'll probably just end up putting a VE in my B13 at some point anyway.
No one ran a SE-R in GS at Nationals this year. Chris Ketter had the highest placing SE-R in '02, and he was down the order. He parked the SE-R in favor of a '03 Celica GT for autocrossing. On stock class comparison alone, the 00+ Celica GT seems to be a better, nicer car all around. Not something I'd get for the money otherwise, but a competent car.
You can pry a 225/50-14 Hoosier on a 5.5" Classic wheel, but you'll make enemies out of the tire guys. Chris was getting serious strut rub with the 225's in back, so I think he ran 225/50-14 up front and 205/55-14 in rear. That's as much meat you can put under a Classic in GS. Newer cars like the Mini and Celica have a lot more wheel to work with.
The B13's are getting old and maintaining a stock-legal SE-R or NX2k doesn't have much appeal anymore. Now almost anyone would rather bail to STS than keep on replacing useless OE engine mounts, rusty exhaust piping, worn out rubber bushings, etc.
Chris Ketter had the highest placing SE-R in '02, and he was down the order. He parked the SE-R in favor of a '03 Celica GT for autocrossing.
Yeah, I was the second placing SE-R in '02 (out of 2... I made the poor, pun intended, choice of Kumhos). And I also ditched the SE-R for a '02 Celica GT in '03.
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Newer cars like the Mini and Celica have a lot more wheel to work with.
It's not just the meat (we run 225/45/15 on all four corners). The Celica is allowed crash bolts and can get -2.5° camber up front. The chassis is also MUCH stiffer, the steering quicker, it's pretty tail happy out of the box, etc. The open diff sucks, though. The Mini can only fit a 215 under the fenders and isn't allowed crash bolts so it has little camber. On paper, it shouldn't be as fast as the Celica but it definitely is.
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Now almost anyone would rather bail to STS than keep on replacing useless OE engine mounts, rusty exhaust piping, worn out rubber bushings, etc.
i ran my classic in GS for most of a season b/c i didn't have any mods... as soon as i swapped my bushings and got strut bars, etc. i moved to STS... with a better suspension (i.e. not stock) i could have been way more competitive in STS this year... my new SE-R that i hope to be getting in a week or so will definitely be more competitive...
just a note.. our STX winner and Champion of Champions drives a super tuned WRX that is as fast or faster than some our SM cars.. and we had Rick Cone a pro driver in GS testing the new Hoosiers at our last event at Little Talledega..
Someone here races his Spec-V in DS. He finished 7th out of 24 on the overall in stock class last year. He was only running on Yokohama A032R's, by the way. So, yeah... Spec-V's can be competitive with the right tires and driver in DS.
I autox'd my Spec V once this past year, and did reasonably well. I use a set of Velox PG-5S rims (12.5 lbs) and 225 width Azenis vs. the stock rims (24 lbs.!!!) and stock Continentals. Lots of grip for a street tire and the limited slip in the Spec V kicks ASS! I would think with light rims and Hoo$iers, the Spec V should be very respectable in DS.
In the end, it's not a matter of the car/mods alone, but a combination of the car/mods AND driver skill. In that one event, I smoked a guy driving a WRX. Why? In this case, WRX + novice_driver < Spec_V + pretty_decent_driver.
As Jim said, I ran the SE-R in '02. I bought my celica a few weeks after I got back from nationals. As far as racing goes, the SE-R has been parked ever since. Here's why I don't think the SE-R can compete nationally in GS:
1) Probably the most important...the SE-R's 5.5" wheels make it extrememly difficult to put 225's on the car...you can squeeze them on the front, but 195's are the widest I could get on the rear to clear the shocks with standard offset wheels (205's would have been fine with .25" spacer).
2) The SE-R's service manual does not allow for crash bolts for camber adjustment. With the Celica, I can get 2.5 degrees negative, no problem. I could have made it through the year easily on one set of tires cause the wear was so even. I ended up buying a fresh set of Kumho's for nationals, but it still beat the 4 sets of tires I went through on the SE-R last year.
3) The rear geometry on the Celica gives you toe-out under load, so the harder you push the car, the more neutral it gets...the SE-R just gets slower.
4) The SE-R is 12 year old design now. The chassis is no where near as stiff as the newer cars in the class.
Other than these things the cars are pretty comparable...same wheight, hp, etc.
I haven't run my two cars side-by-side, but my butt tells me that on a 60s course, the SE-R is about 2-3 seconds off the pace.
