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Old 02-19-2006, 10:42 PM   #21 (permalink)
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From my limited knowledge, those design objectives sound very nice. It would be cool to hear from a few of the engineers on the forum though. If they are as nice as they sound like they are going to be, I will definatly pick up a set.

I do have a question though, how much do you need to lower the ball joint if you are say, one inch lower then stock? Does that mean you would want it one inch lower? Or lets say your lowered two inches, does that mean you want the ball joint down 2 inches? What is the relationship?

Rob, to expand a little bit on why these are good. Basically, there are three reasons.

1. Help correct the camber curve. The wheels go into a bad part of the camber curve when lowered and the camber goes positive which is bad for traction. With a better camber curve you could run less static negative camber to help with braking and tire wear.

2. It prevents the axles from bottoming out, extending axle life.

3. It raises the roll center back up. The roll center is a real or imaginary line that the car rolls on. On a Macpherson strut car it is found by drawing a line out parallel from the lower control arm and then parallel to the top of the strut tower. Where those lines intersect is called the instantaneous center. You then draw a line from the tire contact patch to where those lines intercect. I believe you do that on both sides and then where the lines coming from the contact patch intercect is the roll center. To find the roll axis you connect the front and rear roll centers. When you lower the car, the front roll center drops fast, it can drop below the ground. This creates a large roll couple and a steep angle for the roll axxis, niether of which are good.

People that know more then me, please correct any of that if its wrong.
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Old 03-01-2006, 01:37 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I will definatly pick a set of these if everything works out. Just to check, the B13 and B14 have the same control arms, so it should work on both, correct? If they are different, would you consider making some for the B14(if not the same, the control arms are so similar I doubt much tweaking to the design would be required). No matter what, I would really like to get my hands on a set of these. Thanks for creating a great product.

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Old 03-17-2006, 11:40 PM   #23 (permalink)
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pics of a mock up

did i little welding the other day

this is a crude mockup..........but you get the idea

http://www.sr20forum.com/gallery/***...ol_arm_005.jpg

http://www.sr20forum.com/gallery/***...ol_arm_010.jpg

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http://www.sr20forum.com/gallery/***...ol_arm_002.jpg

originally i planned to put some webbing between the two main bars, but i dont think it is needed.

this is out of 1" x 1 1/2" x 085" rectangular tubing - i think i like it better than using round tubing

i haven't weighed it, but it is a bit lighter than oem, maybe about a pound

comments??? suggestions???

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Old 03-18-2006, 03:44 AM   #24 (permalink)
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looks real nice. simple and to the point. i would like to see some sort of webbing, even if it is just a third piece of rectangular tubing.

i am in the midst is a full suspension swap on my SE-R and new lower control arms are on my list of things to get.

getting something adjustable would be great. if i told you i am ready for a set, would you be able to start producing them?
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Old 03-19-2006, 12:04 AM   #25 (permalink)
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did i little welding the other day

this is a crude mockup..........but you get the idea

http://www.sr20forum.com/gallery/***...ol_arm_005.jpg

http://www.sr20forum.com/gallery/***...ol_arm_010.jpg

http://www.sr20forum.com/gallery/***...ol_arm_007.jpg

http://www.sr20forum.com/gallery/***...ol_arm_002.jpg

originally i planned to put some webbing between the two main bars, but i dont think it is needed.

this is out of 1" x 1 1/2" x 085" rectangular tubing - i think i like it better than using round tubing

i haven't weighed it, but it is a bit lighter than oem, maybe about a pound

comments??? suggestions???

-chuck
Chuck: That looks pretty good. Simple and strong. Reversible too. Maybe the rear pin needs better bracing or full circle welding. I'd grind the arm to fit almost 3/4 around and weld along the seams then around the ends for strength. Can this be spaced for more caster?

Looks like good clearance on the ball joint end to the wheel. I'm guessing about 1-1 1/4" spaced down. That ought to handle the camber gain under bump. Is the arm longer? The ball joint has a taper on the shaft, is that the special one you were talking about so no drilling out the tapered hole?

BTW will this fit both B13 and B14 ? Also time frame for production?

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Old 03-21-2006, 04:18 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Looks good, thanks for the update, I can't wait to get my hands on the finished product.
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Old 03-21-2006, 08:54 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Will i have to remove the axle to install?
When can I buy a set?
Are they limited production?
sway bar mounting is going to be no problem right?
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Old 03-21-2006, 10:06 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Will i have to remove the axle to install?
When can I buy a set?
Are they limited production?
sway bar mounting is going to be no problem right?
these are designed to be a direct replacement, no axle removal nessessary

no firm production date has been set, i want to have a working prototype done by the convention

limited by how many people want them

provisions for mounting the sb will be as factory

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Old 03-21-2006, 11:09 AM   #29 (permalink)
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cool, well it looks like I'll have to get my car up and running with the OEM stuff.

but I'm going to keep an eye on this thread, new LCAs has been something I've been waiting for. and adjustably would just be icing on the cake.
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Old 03-26-2006, 08:18 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Old 03-26-2006, 10:17 AM   #31 (permalink)
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one fab shop wants $400-$500 to build a jig.................. i"m checking with some others

my goal is still to have a working prototype at the convention for everyong to check out.

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I wish you luck in your goal chuck, you make good stuff
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Old 04-08-2006, 11:48 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Are you going to make some for the B14s too or the B13s use the same one as the B14s?
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Old 04-09-2006, 12:11 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Looking good. One criticism I have.

You really need to angle the ball joint a lot closer to the stock 22° KIA. That is a wicked angle you have going there on the ball joint shank.
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Old 04-09-2006, 12:38 AM   #35 (permalink)
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the balljoint mount is angled at 15* (where is the degree key on the keyboard?) about the same as factory.

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Old 04-09-2006, 04:17 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Alt 0176 (hold Alt and type 0176 on the numeric keypad) in IE for the degree symbol Chuck...

In firefox I dunno...
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Old 04-12-2006, 10:05 PM   #38 (permalink)
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hey guys, a couple updates

i have been able to source a shop that will build the monoball studs to my specs at the same cost as buying off the shelf units and having the taper ground. yea !!

progress is going well on the adjustable control arm as well

stay tuned...............

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thanks for the update, still very interested.
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do you still think youll have a prototype for the convention, or no way in hell?
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