octotat

mike, i appologize for including you in with my "disappointed in" list. appearently you don't remember disscussions we've had about superpro and whiteline.

i am not as "offended", as i am disappointed. whiteline, superpro and global know i am tight into nissans and as a dealer i expect them to tell me of a new product release.

i am not mad at you. i apprieciate your contributions to this community, our cars, our club, and our people.

i am not "going to try to undermine Whiteline's effort". i am simply going to contact superpro to confirm the durometer rating of thier bushing (which you made a wild guess at) and see if they have an uprated version available. superpro may have released these and neglected to tell thier dealers as whiteline did with the kca303m.

i am not fixing anything, superpro is not going to do a production run for bushings they have sold maybe two dozen of in the last year. i am not going to try and convince them to do so. i'm sure they wouldn't do it, just as es didn't produce the b14 trailing arm bushings after looking at the limited market.

it's no coincidence that superpro offers every bushing in the whiteline catalogue. superpro makes whiteline bushings! but at about 30% less cost.


all that said..............

dude -------- you've got some kind of pursecution complex!!!!!

i say i am dissappointed that you don't tell me about a bushing or don't remember about my dealer status, and you take it as if i'm taking advantage of you, using you and making money off you and this community???? then you call me out, making accusations, assuptions and personal attacks in a public forum???? WTF???

selling the kca303m bushings at $80 shipped puts about $10 in my pocket. hardly enough to justify the time and expenses i incur in doing so. but, i don't start crying "poor me, i do so much and nobody loves me, everybody takes my hard work and knowledge and is screwing me to make a buck"

the "technical" advice you offered me wasn't anything specific or that couldn't be found here or in a magazine article or a book or google search, etc. i'd be glad to share these two pm's if anybody is interested. if you hadn't noticed, i haven't bothered to ask any futher advice on the control arms.

i really do have to take offense at the making money comments. we both know, you don't make any real money with se-r products. it's a small niche market with limited budgets. hell, if i made $5 an hour doing this stuff, i'd be suprised. i challenge anyone to design and build an se-r related part from scratch and try to make a profit.

i am proud of the support i have for our communities, as everyone that makes any kind of contribution should be. remember "it's these silly little cars that bring us together"


mike, you are not taken for granted or unappriciated. but, man, it sure seems like you put yourself on a high horse. keep in mind that there are others out here researching, designing, building, finding, and even selling parts for these cars. we have just as much of a commitment to this community as you do.

i can't say i expect an apology or to ever have any of my products "blessed by kojima", i'm not sure your ego would allow it.

-chuck

 

choaderboy2

If you were truely not going copy the part, I sincerly apologise. If you know me, its not about ego but ethics. I get really upset when people capitalize on the finantial risk of others. Its unethical in my book and it realy pisses me off. The reason I get upset at copying of stuff that I had something to be involved in is because those are the instances that I am aware of but it makes me mad in every case of it I hear.

You can bet that if I got word of someone or some company ripping off one of your unique products I would go after them as well.

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octotat

you still don't get it

as i explained, superpro may already make these. i am going to find out if they do. i am not trying to compete with anybody. hell, as you said, i sell both manufacturers. maybe that is why it "amazes" you. if the same product is available from superpro, why shouldn't the we pay less? superpro and whiteline hardly have a propriatary relationship. they sell the same bushings. they might be in different colors and packages but they are the same bushings. superpro makes whiteline bushings!!!!!!!! if you go to the whiteline factory you will not find the molds or production equipment to make these bushings, because they are at the superpro factory!!!!!!

for all you know whiteline may have copied superpro's part.

how dare you question my ethics!!!! you just have to look to my deal with the 4pt braces to see where my "intrests lie". whiteline went behind thier exclusive importers back to sell those braces at an inflated price. when called on it they claimed it was an unintentional mixup in the sales department. when the deal fell through, i picked up the slack and recieved a product that didn't measure up to my expectations or standards and was clearly manufactured with poor workmanship and little attention to detail. i negotiated with them to offer these at a substansial discount and in the end costing me money.

as a matter of fact i'm not in business to make money off this community. i know better than that. i do this because i like to build things and i like the pride that i get when a customer has positive things to say about me or the stuff i make and sell.

lets try and keep things in prospective. my product is hard parts, ones you can actually put on a car. your product is you, your name, your contacts, and your reputation. you take the "opportunity" to promote yourself as a tester, a writer, a consultant and whatever else you do. this adds to your value, sure, you don't see it here in hard cash. but nevertheless you do profit from your relationship with this community.

i don't expect to make a bunch of money with my business here, but i hope that my work will be recognized and lead to other markets with deeper pockets and higher volumes.


mike, you are out of line with these personal attacks and assuptions of my motives, intentions and ethics. get off your "holier than thou" kick and realize there are others around here that care as much about this community as you.

-chuck

octotat

ok i saw your post in the original thread

apology accepted, as i hope mine was to you

let's just agree we both have a tremendous love for this community and these cars and quit poking each other in the eye.

mike, i do have a great ammount of respect and gratitude for all you do for us!!!!

big love and big thanks

-chuck

choaderboy2

When I hear about companies stealing ideas from other companies thatr risk making parts for these cars I get really mad. It really strikes a raw nerve with me. I was out of line for prematurely assuming that you were thinking of doing so.

You know if I got word that someone ripped off one of your parts or any of the inovators that serve the import performance market then I would go after them, hard just like my campain against OBX which isnt a popular one around here but its where I stand.