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I did not have experience with AGX. I have Eibach pro springs on stock shocks for 2 years now and there was not a single issue – not even a single squeak, and tire wear is great. If you can find a set of these, I highly recommend. The car rides so good I don’t even want to change my shocks...
Hyperco Gen II Spring rate: 110-290 front, 75-200 rear, progressive rate
Drop: 1" front and rear
Struts to use: AGX's or better yet CSK's.
Ballpark price per set: $330.00 new and they don't depreciate much. If you see them used and want a set, move damned quickly
RM GBI B13 Spring rate: 325 front, 250 rear, linear rate
RM GBI B13 Drop: 1.5" front, 1" rear
Struts to use: AGX's or better yet CSK's.
Ballpark price per set: $225.00
Here's the amendment. Specifications for both the B13 and B14 springs on Group Buy #2.
RM GBII B13 Spring rate: 325 front, 250 rear
RM GBII B13 Drop: 1.25" front, 1" rear
Struts to use: AGX's or better yet CSK's.
Ballpark price: $225'ish
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Originally Posted by hard drive
I have Eibach pro springs on stock shocks for 2 years now and there was not a single issue – not even a single squeak, and tire wear is great. If you can find a set of these, I highly recommend. The car rides so good I don’t even want to change my shocks...
I understand that you think that your suspension is working well with that combination of springs and struts.
However, please read this following link to get yourself up to speed on properly modifying the B13 suspension:
I read your suspension thread but could not find any comments by anyone actually using Eibachs pros and telling that they were bad, other than something like this: "They will not work with OEM length struts worth a damn."
Again, I had these springs for 2 years on stock struts and never bottomed out or anything.... I am not driving on race tracks - it is a daily driving commute car 10 mi highway + 2 mi city. In addition to that, my car is heavier than an average B13, and often with 4 passengers. When I had OEM springs I was rinding on bump stops on weekly basis, but I do not recall the the last time I bottomed with Eibachs
I read your suspension thread but could not find any comments by anyone actually using Eibachs pros and telling that they were bad, other than something like this: "They will not work with OEM length struts worth a damn."
Listen up Brainiac. I spent MONTHS of research, hundreds of hours, putting that thread together. It is the "collective knowledge" of the folks on this forum that have real expertise with our suspension.
Reading comprehension apparently owns you. Mike Kojima states his EXPERT opinion on Prokits, in the first fu*king section of the Suspension Thread:
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Originally Posted by Mike K from The Suspension Thread
A question that comes up every day thats annoying is lowering springs for the B13 and B14 Sentras.
These cars have very little wheel travel and cannot be lowered more than 1-1.5" without badly affecting the ride and handling. H&R spring are way too low and too soft, so are Eibach sportlines and even the less low prokits.
Get these only if you are into looks, the car will ride the snubbers in a turn and handle poorly. B14's have so little rear wheel travel that they will ride very bad as well. This is a rice mod.
The only lowering springs that are any good for B13 and B14's are the hypercos and they must be teamed up with a decent shock like a KYB AGX. They have decent spring rates and will really turn your car into a G machine.
Eibachs and H&R's will work well only when using Motivationals shortend struts and shocks for conventional shaped springs with Motivational/koni foam bumpstops and the Motivational rear shock mount for B14's. These will let you get your wheel travel back and even give a real nice ride.
Anyone asking these question over and over can now get flamed!
Mike
I guess we should ignore Mike Kojima, and take your word for it that "Prokits work fine." ........
Do some work for yourself and do a Search on Eibach. You will that folks with real expertise, folks that are familiar with good suspension set-ups for our cars, state categorically they are crap with stock struts. Folks that have worked with, raced, utilized multiple suspension set-ups on B13's, and folks that have engineering degrees and considerable racing experience.
Notice I said folks with real expertise. Not you, nor me. You and I have familiarity with two (2) suspensions apeice. Two. You think that makes you or I any sort of expert? No. You are just an enthusiast with a poorly modded suspension that you, in your sheer ignorance, like better than your stock suspension.
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Originally Posted by hard drive
Again, I had these springs for 2 years on stock struts and never bottomed out or anything.... I am not driving on race tracks - it is a daily driving commute car 10 mi highway + 2 mi city. In addition to that, my car is heavier than an average B13, and often with 4 passengers. When I had OEM springs I was rinding on bump stops on weekly basis, but I do not recall the the last time I bottomed with Eibachs
No, you have NO real expertise whatsoever. You are just a dude with incredibly limited suspension knowledge and experience, touting your lame suspension and making erroneous jumps in logic.
You would not know a half-assed suspension, from a good suspension, from a kick-ass suspension. You have no frame of reference nor knowledge base from which to judge.
You come on here and spout your "vaunted opinion" and think anyone with half a brain cell functioning is going to take your uneducated word over that of Mike Kojima in The Suspension Thread?
Shawnon't waste your time on people not interested in learning and caring for their car's,it's not worth it.
Your worked is valued by a lot of people,there will always be people not interested in learning.
Dude, if you are running eibach on stock spring, if you sit in your car you will bottom. There is like NO suspension travel on that setup! Don't argue!
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In contrast to you I am telling what I know from personal experience but not siting hearsays and somebody eleses' opinions.... I drive this car every day so I know better than you. By the way I edited my last post because I thought you were normal.
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hard drive.....
I will answer your question soon. I am putting CSK's on my car with the Pro Kit.
I am doing RM's and AGX on another car. Then I will let you know if it is a good set up.
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Shawn, please take it down a notch... you've said your peace and most of here know that your thread is 99% spot on with the content. I deleted the last few posts in the hope that we can keep this thread open.
hard drive - if you actually were bottoming out with your stock springs, then I think you had some major issues... I'll leave it at that.
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Shawn, please take it down a notch... you've said your peace and most of here know that your thread is 99% spot on with the content. I deleted the last few posts in the hope that we can keep this thread open.
hard drive - if you actually were bottoming out with your stock springs, then I think you had some major issues... I'll leave it at that.
i have had prokits in the past and they are ok..but u will bottom out for sure. just get the ground controls
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Sorry, but it seems i have failed to mention what kind of use i will get out of this suspension. I am hoping to get involved with auto-x in my local area so i have to take that into account. Also I will use the suspension setup on my DD. So im guessing coilovers would be my best bet? those ground controls look nice.
In contrast to you I am telling what I know from personal experience but not siting hearsays and somebody eleses' opinions.... I drive this car every day so I know better than you. By the way I edited my last post because I thought you were normal.
In contrast to you, I don't think I know everything and I am smart enough to listen to folks with real expertise.
I am the farthest human from normal that you will ever meet outside of a prison. Seriously.
At this point, with McCoy stepping in, we should both shut up.
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Shawn, please take it down a notch... you've said your peace and most of here know that your thread is 99% spot on with the content. I deleted the last few posts in the hope that we can keep this thread open.
Sorry Monty. I'll take it down a couple of notches. I have no desire to hijack, close this thread, nor cause a commotion.
I know that I should not let folks get to me, alas it sometimes happens.
I was actually very pleased to see the suspension options presented in the poll were such viable and intelligent choices. That makes me very happy.
Peace.
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Also I will use the suspension setup on my DD. So im guessing coilovers would be my best bet? those ground controls look nice.
The GC coilover sleeves would offer you greater flexibility.
Here's what Steve says:
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Originally Posted by 98sr20ve
Oh, BTW, I am convinced with out a doubt that the absolute best daily driver+HPDE/autocross setup is the Koni paired with GC sleeves and a real front pearch the kills 99% of any rattles (all coilovers can make some noise). Pair that with a 300-325# 10 inch front spring, GC Camber Plate. Set the rideheight to and 1.5 or so below stock That leaves you with stock levels of suspension travel. I would stack it up against anything anyone else makes in the 1200 price range.
Can you afford to go with CSK's, or is that out of the budget?
I previously had H&R's on KYB GR2's on my SE-R. They are okay, if you're not in to spirited driving at all, and you don't live in an area where roads are rough. They drop the car nicely, but as previously stated, they're REALLY only worth a damn with CSK's.
I remember SEVERAL occasions where I bottomed out with the H&R's, and wasn't even dogging on the car. Matter of fact, there's one spot that I hit on a daily basis that was so jarring, I was afraid to drive over it.
Fast forward to my AGX/RM w/ koni bumpstops, and I couldn't be happier. That same damn jarring bump that used to send shivers down my spine, is now not even felt. Road grip also feels MUCH better. Especially paired with the Cusco FSTB.
I personally wouldn't have known any of this, if it weren't for Shawn's thread, as well as the opinions of the community on this site.
When I had OEM springs I was rinding on bump stops on weekly basis, but I do not recall the the last time I bottomed with Eibachs 
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