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Old 11-24-2008, 04:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Please help me diagnose loose steering

So my ongoing problem with my front end consisted of the following symptoms:

Vibrations and shimmy in the steering wheel both low and high speed
feeling little play in the steering wheel but the wheels themselves feel loose. At higher speeds, it gets a lot worse and there is A LOT of bump steer. A dime on the road would cause the wheels to jerk side to side. I've tried different ride heights but the higher I go the rougher the ride is and more bump steer. The coilovers are not blown-the pistion retracts fine in all of them. I did the dry pavement test [car parked] of the steering by having it running and moving the wheel to see if it had any play but as far as I can tell as soon as I move the steering wheel the wheels respond with less than 1/2" of effort.

I've been to a handful of shops already and nobody can figure out whats going on. I replaced a whole bunch of stuff under the hood including brand new Nissan bearings and hubs, rebuilt the axles, new thrust bearings for the strut mounts, new end links and bushings etc. Almost the whole front end is brand new yet I can't track down the cause of this problem. All the shops put my car on the lift and say everything looks fine and even on test drives they don't notice anything weird because they have no experience driving a lowered b15 with mods.

In all honesty I have more experience diagnosing a modded b15 than they do but the cause of this problem escapes me.

This is the update as of two hours ago:
  • No play in wheel bearings
  • No play in ball joints
  • The steering rack is not moving around when I move the wheel side to side so the bushing is good
  • I looked at the actual rack by pulling the boot back and looking at it while the wheel was turned and there is no evidence of up and down movement
  • New Nissan end links and bushings are fine and in place
  • Car aligned a few weeks ago
  • No abnormal wear on the tires [33 psi front, 30 rear per owners manual]
  • Rims recently balanced with no problems
  • Axle shafts rebuilt over the summer they were easy to move before the rebuild but now it feels nice and tight
  • Brake pads show no abnormal wear and rotors don't show any signs of warping [although I didn't check with a caliper
  • Car lowered with 1" of thread left on the Tein Basics per Tein's instructions
  • Thrust bearings replaced a few months ago, strut mounts don't appear damaged
  • ES Control arm bushings and Moog ball joints installed about a year ago
  • All motor mounts replaced with brand new Nissan ones over the summer.
  • New Moog inner and outer tie rods a few weeks ago

I drove it today and noticed the loose steering feeling is still there, it's to the point where it really does feel scary to drive. There seems to be a lot of torque steer even when taking it easy. I redlined first gear to see what it felt like and I noticed the wheels felt all over the place, very loose with a lot of wheel hop and torque steer.

I'm getting tired and broke taking it to shop after shop because they all say "everything looks fine" and can't find the cause of the problem. I've had this car for the last 5 years with similar rim, coilover, ride height settings and have not had any issues until recently.

The major things that I recall having done before this problem started was the ES Control Arm bushings and Moog Ball joints. They were installed by someone I know and as far as I could tell, I don't think he had a press. I don't know how he installed them because I wasn't there at the time.

The other major thing is I converted the car from automatic to 5 speed. The only thing that would make me suspect anything related to this might be a flywheel issue or an axle issue causing vibrations to the wheel? but would that cause loose steering?

I'm completely lost at the moment and any help is appreciated.

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Old 11-24-2008, 04:25 PM   #2 (permalink)
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where did you get your axles rebuilt and how much did it cost
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Old 11-24-2008, 04:32 PM   #3 (permalink)
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where did you get your axles rebuilt and how much did it cost
LOL! damn it I thought you had a solution to my problems

I had it done at a shop called "ISH Auto Repair" right on Merrick and 108 Ave. It was $40 each

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Old 11-24-2008, 05:31 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Are the control arm bolts torqued down properly? Sure the steeringrack isn't shot, and has play?
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Old 11-24-2008, 05:38 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Are the control arm bolts torqued down properly? Sure the steeringrack isn't shot, and has play?
Yes the control arm bolts are properly torqued.

Aside from the two things I checked regarding the steering rack-I'm not sure how else to check it.
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Old 11-24-2008, 06:31 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Old 11-24-2008, 07:27 PM   #7 (permalink)
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brand new moog inner and outer ones installed a few weeks ago
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:32 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Power steering fluid level? Air in the lines? Worn PS pump? Loose belt? Wrong PS fluid?
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Old 11-25-2008, 09:41 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Where did you go to get the allignment done at? I know that i had somewhat of a simmilar problem and with my b14 (Non - lowered) was the camber was so off it would make my steering wheel have the same type of vibration. i took my car to the Wheel Works by my house, (These guys know what there doing), and fixed it with a camber adjustment bolt. Now everything is fine. Just putting my 2 cents out there.
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Old 11-25-2008, 11:47 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Power steering fluid level? Air in the lines? Worn PS pump? Loose belt? Wrong PS fluid?
The pump was replaced back in 2003 because it was faulty and at that time the rack was also replaced because the dealership diagnosed the problem wrong. They thought it was a busted rack so they replaced that first and then realized the pump was the problem instead. The fluid level is topped off and the belt is nice and tight.

How do I check for a worn pump?

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Where did you go to get the allignment done at? I know that i had somewhat of a simmilar problem and with my b14 (Non - lowered) was the camber was so off it would make my steering wheel have the same type of vibration. i took my car to the Wheel Works by my house, (These guys know what there doing), and fixed it with a camber adjustment bolt. Now everything is fine. Just putting my 2 cents out there.
I had the alignment done at the same shop I've had it done at for the past few years. I was looking at the screen when they adjusted it with the laser guided alignment machine. I think it was a Hunter brand so it's pretty accurate.
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Old 11-26-2008, 01:11 AM   #11 (permalink)
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yeah that sounds right. when ever they do an alignment on that it shows real time. I was able to get mine fixed from that but now i have no f*cken clue. I will talk to my guys there and see what else it could possibly be. My guys have worked on our kinda cars for about 15-20 yrs. Plus i get great discounts on my Yokohama tires so i trust there opinion. Ill see what then say tomorrow and ill hit ya back up
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Old 11-26-2008, 05:31 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Thank you, I appreciate all the help I can get.
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Old 11-26-2008, 08:56 AM   #13 (permalink)
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You said b15. Is this an SR20 or a QR25 car? Is it possible that the LSD is messed up and throwing the torque from side to side? (if it has one)
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You said b15. Is this an SR20 or a QR25 car? Is it possible that the LSD is messed up and throwing the torque from side to side? (if it has one)
Sr20 with non lsd 5 speed.
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Old 12-17-2008, 07:15 PM   #15 (permalink)
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bump..anyone else have any ideas?
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Old 12-25-2008, 01:49 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Even though you said the alignment was all set to spec you might want adjust the camber somewhat out of spec. You will need adjustable camber plates to do this. Cars come from the factory with caster different from one side to the other to compensate for the crown in the road. This sounds like a caster issue as all you other parts are in good working order. When you nail it in first gear you are going to get torque steer. My car does that and my suspension is tight and drives straight. Try adjusting one side at a time and go drive it. It will take some trial and error. I can always look it up in my automotive textbooks if you would like.
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Thanks for the tip. I decided to put back the stock suspension on and see how it handles. This way I can rule out the coilovers, ride height, etc. I will update in a few days once I swap it over.
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