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Old 06-23-2009, 12:19 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Recommended alignment numbers?

Picking up the new project this weekend ('91 SE-R) and will be installing an AGX/GC setup shortly after, with the Energy suspension complete bushing kit. Searched this section for "alignment" and "recommended alignment" and turned up nothing. What settings do everyone use?

Car will mainly be used for a daily driver, but will see some track time and an occasional canyon run here or there.
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Old 06-23-2009, 02:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
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"recomended" would be 0 camber 0 toe

my nx was about:
back: -1.5camber (couldnt adjust) , 0 toe
front: -1camber , .5 toe out

the 240 is:
back: -3 camber (cant adjust) , 0 toe
front: -1.4 camber , .5 toe out

fyi i drive the sh*t out of my cars. i dont drive fast, but every corner is a race track
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Old 06-23-2009, 02:45 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Guess I'll try the NX numbers to start. Thanks man.
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Old 06-23-2009, 11:54 PM   #4 (permalink)
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also, you dont have to run toe out in the front. i felt it corned smoother and quicker that way.

running 0 toe is prolly best for calm and regular daily driving
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Old 06-24-2009, 02:51 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Refresh my memory, but caster is not adjustable correct?
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Old 06-24-2009, 05:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
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not on the b13's

i have caster adjustment on my 240 though
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Old 06-24-2009, 10:06 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Cool, thanks. I've been doing some reading on the energy suspension bushing kit, and am going to skip it for now. I'll install the kyb/GC stuff on friday night before saturday's track day. (try to keep the alignment the same) Then get it aligned officially on monday.
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Old 06-26-2009, 09:10 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Find a good alignment shop with new equipment and someone who knows how to use it. State-of-the-art alignment equipment uses lasers. When I had mine done, the technician sat in the drivers seat for the final set-up to compensate for driver weight. He said that is critical for lighter weight cars. Front wheels are usually set with a little toe-in because forward motion tends to move them toward toe-out as the suspension deflects. Too much toe-out and the car may want to "hunt" on the road.

If I had to choose, I would pick a man with experience and older equipment over new equipment with someone who doesn't know what alignment does to a car. I once had a van aligned by an old guy with manual equipment (no lights, no lasers). He told me that my van would pull right for a couple of weeks because of the tire wear and then be fine. Happened exactly that way.
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Old 06-26-2009, 02:45 PM   #9 (permalink)
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If I had to choose, I would pick a man with experience and older equipment over new equipment with someone who doesn't know what alignment does to a car.
I work at Flyin Miata, and we have a local shop do all of our alignments. Not sure how new their equipment is, but they do a good job.
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Old 06-26-2009, 03:17 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Find a good alignment shop with new equipment and someone who knows how to use it. State-of-the-art alignment equipment uses lasers. When I had mine done, the technician sat in the drivers seat for the final set-up to compensate for driver weight. He said that is critical for lighter weight cars. Front wheels are usually set with a little toe-in because forward motion tends to move them toward toe-out as the suspension deflects. Too much toe-out and the car may want to "hunt" on the road.

If I had to choose, I would pick a man with experience and older equipment over new equipment with someone who doesn't know what alignment does to a car. I once had a van aligned by an old guy with manual equipment (no lights, no lasers). He told me that my van would pull right for a couple of weeks because of the tire wear and then be fine. Happened exactly that way.
^Where in the ATL did you have it done? I would drive for service like this. We have a lot of sh*t shops in the North GA area. Makes me want to throw up thinking about it.
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:53 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I had the laser alignment done at Vic Williams Tire in Dallas. The front tires on my B14 wore completely uniform through their entire tread life. I have never had that happen before on any FWD car that I have had. They have a fixture for bending Mustang rear axles for alignment and they were willing to try to help me bend my rear beam before we got Steve to come to Atlanta.
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Old 07-09-2009, 11:18 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I'm also due for an aligment soon and not sure what my specs should be. I daily drive my car, but also participate in a couple track events a year.

I'm thinking:
CAMBER
front: 1.75*
rear: 1*

TOE
front: slight toe in
rear: zero toe

any help? suggestions?
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Old 07-10-2009, 10:15 AM   #13 (permalink)
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i wouldnt run 1.75* in the front.
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Old 07-10-2009, 11:02 AM   #14 (permalink)
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that's why I'm asking for suggestions, buddy.
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Old 07-10-2009, 01:17 PM   #15 (permalink)
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no problem CHEIF

im suggesting you dont run -1.75* camber


if you DD your car 365 days a year, going through tires for a few track days isnt worth it
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Old 07-10-2009, 02:34 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I would certainly run more than 1 degree if you are going to be driving hard on the track at all.

It also depends on what the ride height is like and what your spring rates are. I would run the car about 0.75" lower than stock and 1.25 degrees of camber for a good dual purpose car.

Just for reference B13 race setups usually run 3 degrees or more of camber. Of course this wouldn't work too well on the street!
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Old 07-10-2009, 04:41 PM   #17 (permalink)
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ok. I'm running the hyperco/AGX setup so 1.25-1.5* of camber sounds good? what about the rear.

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Old 07-10-2009, 05:41 PM   #18 (permalink)
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i dont think you have camber adjustment in the back, but im not 100% about the AGX's
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Old 07-10-2009, 09:47 PM   #19 (permalink)
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zero toe up front for sure. Camber really does not kill tires the way toe does. 1.25 - 1.5 would be no issue. The only issue with a fair amount of camber might be wet weather traction depending on tire choice.
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Old 07-13-2009, 06:39 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Toe and go sucka.. . Flat rate that sh*t man.. . . heehehehe..

Someone told me that at work today.. Thought it was quite comical..
I've got nothing constructive for this thread though, sorry..

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