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In my opinion and only because I have had the AGX / GC combo, Progress / AGX combo, etc.... IN MY OPINION - Tein SS setup with ES control arm bushings and sway bar bushings. Other opinions may vary, however this setup I have had since I helped prototyped the Tein SS kits back in 2001 with Tein and not had any problems or complaints. The ride is smooth and comfortable and adjustable for most conditions. Many people who are hardcore roadcoarse racers my need something more hardcore such as an Eibach race setup, however for the average joe who wants something great for the street/strip/track use the Teins are the way to go. Just my $.02
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This has been discussed a lot, and most will point you in the direction of Hypercos (~$270) and AGXs, but Hypercos are custom made and if you miss the group buys, you may as well forget that route unless someone is selling them used. Many others have gone with the GC/AGX route. I've heard bad things about Eibach... heard they are too soft and bottom out a lot because the spring rates arent high enough. I dont know how much of it is true. I also heard Eibach (namely Pro Kit) has the tendency to give an uneven drop all around. In comparison, H&R seems to make a much better spring than Eibach for around $200. Though exact spring rate numbers are not available, its told that the rates are 25-30% higher than stock and the drop is even.
I am eventually getting H&R springs and AGXs for my B13 and plan to spend no more than $700 including shipping. Either way, coming from stock struts/springs w/ 157k to something completely new, stiffer, and lower is going to make a VERY significant difference, for me at least. Just my assessment.
I have been the Hyperco AGX route and it is pretty harsh. Speaking from experience, I would suggest Hyperco gen 2s, with Steve's shortened Konis and a Progress rear sway bar.
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Everyone I know from BMW to Nissan switch from Eibach to H&R's. I driven H&R equipt cars. Niice. I hear Hypercos are good too. Very progressively wound from the cars I have seen.
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I don't think shorten Kroni's with Hyperco is under 1000 also... But that would be my dream setup.
Yeah its about on that.
Konis front are $450-500
AGX rear are $190
Hyperco are $270
That's $910-960. You can still get a few other misc. bits and be just over $1000. If you make the Koni's yourself you can split their price basically in half.
I will be rocking AGX's in Hyperco gen 1's by next week I hope. It should be ok, these cars are kinda hard riding anyway so I am used to it. I was fine with H&R/AGX on my old B14 for a dd with settings full soft.
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Konis front are $450-500
AGX rear are $190
Hyperco are $270
That's $910-960. You can still get a few other misc. bits and be just over $1000. If you make the Koni's yourself you can split their price basically in half.
Actually,
$535 for all four Koni's, $125 for the install both front and rear. Hyperco are $270
Thats $930 for Koni's all the way around and the spring. Add a little for shipping. Thats it. Oh, and I am getting a exchange program going so you have zero downtime and can do the swap in 1 day. . And, I am looking into some powdercoating for those that need better weather protection.
I've had 300/200 GC/AGX's for a year and don't like them. If I set the AGX's really soft then the ride is tolerable but still a bit bouncy and then you're risking ruining the AGX's by doing that. I'm going to try the $1300 Progress suspension next and if I don't like those I might try the $800 D2's.
Under $1K, I'd say talk to people who have driven GC/AGX and have driven on the D2's. The D2's are a sweet setup for the money, adjustible travel, ride height and dampening, and you choose your spring rates. Pillowball mounts with camber adjustment up front. If you really want the GC/AGX combo, then save yourself some money and just buy a set of Eibach ERS springs in the rates you want, and if it's a daily driver don't go 300/200, go somewhere between stock and that. I've heard stock is just over 100/100 like, 123/112 but I've never gotten a definate answer on that. Then use a set of eBay cloilovers for their collars and perches, and toss/resell the sh*tty springs they come with. You'll save almost $100 over the GC's. As far as AGX's go, I think they're the downfall, at least for the stiffer spring rates so I would say spend a little more and get the koni's if you're going to do 300/200 or higher, thery're more work to shorten or just install regular but I've heard they're night and day better than the AGX's. I wish I'd gotten Koni's instead of the AGX's.
I've had 300/200 GC/AGX's for a year and don't like them. If I set the AGX's really soft then the ride is tolerable but still a bit bouncy and then you're risking ruining the AGX's by doing that.
In that case, would it be better to go the H&R route?...softer springs on the struts? At least in the comfort department, and depending on if you just want a car with confident handling and not too worried about drag or auto-xing... Dont know what 300/200 feels like. I would imagine hella stiff.
One more question, the adjustability of the strut is just adjusting the damping, correct? If so, I guess running 300/200 on AGXs at the softest setting would wear the struts prematurely, wouldnt it?
i have h&r/agx combo and its great drop is about 2 inches
SE-R, this is the setup I am getting for my B13. People have been saying that since the spring rates aren't 300/200 (probably more like ~220/175, not sure..), its not the most ideal setup. But I've heard great things about this setup thus far. How does it feel on your car? Comfort, handling? Its definetely a penny-saver setup...
It's common knowledge that you need at least a 300/200 setup to lower the car about an inch. People have done it and frankly many people wouldn't know any better. In the end, everyone who has experiance with this car and understands the suspension setup will tell you this is true. So Getting a 220/175 will never be a good setup on the stock length struts. All the standard springs lower the car about 1.5 inchs or more. Now you can run those same springs with shortened Koni's and it should be fine.
Oh, As Ryan said the TEIN Basic are a fine choice for the under 1K range.
For 3 years I endured Eibach ProKits over KYB GR2 struts. For what it was worth, it was ok. Better than the blown stock struts that it had. However, time wore my tolerance and I couldn't STAND the ride anymore. Only on glass-smooth roads was the ride tolerable.
The car was always on the bumpstops, and it is my belief that a lot of people who run this (and similar setups, i.e. Sportlines, etc.) and claim to never hit the bumpstops just don't realize that they really are.
From what I've read, the ProKits have a 180/180 spring rate (progressive in the rear). I went from that to the 300/200 GC setup and you'd think that going to stiffer springs would have given me that same harsh ride. Not so!! The Konis have such a buttery smooth ride with my GC setup. I don't think I'd go any other way. Oh, and for the record, my GR2's have not blown. They have 50,000 miles on it over 2.5 years, and are currently on another B13 with the ProKits....so don't tell me that the crappy ride was because the GR2's are just "stock replacements". I can't recall where I read it, but GR2's are about equivalent to the 2/4 setting on the AGX's, and are marginally stiffer than stock struts. To boot, they are gas, as opposed to stock hydraulic (someone correct that if I'm wrong....).
Anyway, the bottom line is that you get what you pay for. Don't settle for el cheapo struts and springs if you really love your car. Save a little bit longer and treat your car the way it should be! Get some nice GC's, or Hyperco's and get at least AGX's if not Koni's.
It's common knowledge that you need at least a 300/200 setup to lower the car about an inch.
That is not true. Your drop is not based on spring rate, rather, its based on spring size. If I shortened my stock springs 1 inch, my car would be lowered 1 inch because the car sits on the springs. Given that, stock length struts such as AGXs can still handle shortened springs, and that is essentially what they are made for, regardless of the spring rate. What you are saying is to say that all springs that are not 300/200 and/or not on shortened Konis are crap. I don't believe that, if that is in fact what you are saying. Plenty of people seem to enjoy H&R/AGXs. Hopefully I'll be one of them.
