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What all is involved in the repair of damage like this? Remove dead stuff? Straighten frame...maybe? Weld....uh....cut.....I dunno? Fix the frame, replace the quarter panel and hood. Then replace the crushed stuff with good stuff? Educate me just a bit please.
If I use an excellent body shop, what is a rough, ballpark, figure? Do you need more information to make that educated guess? Just what range are we talking?
If I were to do all the removal of dead parts, and sand the paint, and anything else I could do before it arrived at the body shop, would that help lower my cost?
I am clueless. However I can obviously figure out how to unbolt stuff, I am sure I could figure out how to install the new parts. Got a donor car already lined up for everything but the front quarter panel.
Yeah, I'd fix it for free, you'd need to pay for parts and such and then have it painted. Best I could do is primer seal anything that was bare metal. It's winter up here and painting would not be a good idea.
Here's how I would fix it. I would cut the radiator support structure from a parts car as well as the front section of that area that got crushed under your fender and behind your headlight. I would cut your busted stuff out and weld the new stuff in, butt welds over mending plates. Then simply put the car back together with new parts as needed. The most expensive part is going to be replacing the bent metal and they can't do it on a straightener, they can only use a machine like that to check their repair to see if they kept angles and dimensions correct so that when they bolt up a new hood, fender, grill, etc. that those parts will line up properly. There's nothing easy about it and it's not something that you can do it you haven't done it before. I have done it before, I had to build replacement sheetmetal for areas that were entirely rusted away, and things bolted up perfect. That was on my little blue pickup. IMHO, it's way more work, hassle and expense to buy a comparable donor car and swap goodies over. But that's assuming I'm doing all the work either way, and only paying for materials. If I wasn't able to do that stuff, I'd probably have to scrap an entire car just because one corner was crumpled up. Honestly, I'd say slap a fender and hood on it, bend the radiator support back enough that you can rig up something to mount a headlight, then in a few months when the weather is warmer, drive up here and let me fix it, and I can do the painting as well. It'd cost you gas, food, you could stay with me, I'd just have to get ahold of a bed for you to use, paint materials (maybe $300) and whatever it costs to get the replacement parts. I suppose you'll be missing out on getting paid at work for that time, say, a week, so whatever that will cost you. It's an option, so you should consider it.
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Oh yeah if you need a coolant overflow bottle it will be free. Compliments of me
If a NX core support is the same. Just pay shipping. Anything you need that I have is Free unless it is alot to ship it....
Gracias!
I'm gonna go check out the donor car in question. I am pretty damn sure that I can buy it, and drive it to my house (without gettting pulled over). Then I will have all the parts I need. However it was a "race car" ( ) poorly done. So it might not have everything I need for a DD. AC stuff for instance.
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i can tell you that if any of the crap i had laying around would help you id give it to you for shipping just because i love your sarcasm....it makes me giggle.
alas i have no front end parts. however like everyone else has said it looks like it completly missed the vital frame areas. i mean look at it! the bumper is sitting pretty!!!!! new fender, a patch peice for the inner fender well and a rad support, rad, fans maybe, and a few other misc parts.
to me it would be well worth the money if i had owned the car my entire life, i can tell the car is very sentimental to you. theres more than enough people here with every part you need to get it back up to ship shape. "cheers: and good luck bro.
edit: find a junk yard b13 <any b13, se-r or none) and go cut out a large peice of the inner fender area, then have a friend or shop size it up and weld the sucker in. juck yards are great because you can get the parts you need for cheap and take out all your frustration on the car as well........i always carry a BFH with me when junkyarding.
At least someone is giggling at my sarcasm.
I keep looking at it, and it looks like the car really slipped under that SUV bumper. I am not so sure that the main frame is bent at all. We shall certainly find out.
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Originally Posted by nissansr20nx
Shawn... I pmd you the other day Dont know if you got it or not..
Anyway my Ser brethren FIX YOUR DAMN CAR... Here is exactly what I would do!
Have a guy at a body shop on his own time come and weld the piece you need
Rad support weld it in..
Pay him and do the rest myself
Even you can put a fender, hood and TSURU front on. Call me and I will tell you step by step. Just fix your car and make us all happy!!
Yep, appreciate the PM Rodney. Still have to respond to yours and a few others.
I have been working on that car-nage, photos, and well...discussing a few things with the forum staff.
Your plan sounds like Robs and DJ's plan.
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Originally Posted by Toolapcfan
Yeah, I'd fix it for free, you'd need to pay for parts and such and then have it painted. Best I could do is primer seal anything that was bare metal. It's winter up here and painting would not be a good idea.
Here's how I would fix it. I would cut the radiator support structure from a parts car as well as the front section of that area that got crushed under your fender and behind your headlight. I would cut your busted stuff out and weld the new stuff in, butt welds over mending plates. Then simply put the car back together with new parts as needed. The most expensive part is going to be replacing the bent metal and they can't do it on a straightener, they can only use a machine like that to check their repair to see if they kept angles and dimensions correct so that when they bolt up a new hood, fender, grill, etc. that those parts will line up properly. There's nothing easy about it and it's not something that you can do it you haven't done it before. I have done it before, I had to build replacement sheetmetal for areas that were entirely rusted away, and things bolted up perfect. That was on my little blue pickup. IMHO, it's way more work, hassle and expense to buy a comparable donor car and swap goodies over. But that's assuming I'm doing all the work either way, and only paying for materials. If I wasn't able to do that stuff, I'd probably have to scrap an entire car just because one corner was crumpled up. Honestly, I'd say slap a fender and hood on it, bend the radiator support back enough that you can rig up something to mount a headlight, then in a few months when the weather is warmer, drive up here and let me fix it, and I can do the painting as well. It'd cost you gas, food, you could stay with me, I'd just have to get ahold of a bed for you to use, paint materials (maybe $300) and whatever it costs to get the replacement parts. I suppose you'll be missing out on getting paid at work for that time, say, a week, so whatever that will cost you. It's an option, so you should consider it.
Your outrageously generous plan is along the same lines as DJ's below and Rodneys above. It starts with me doing everything I can, BFH FTW, learning how to wrench as I go.
Rob, you are one incredible human being. And I will keep you posted as I dismantle my car and take more pictures.
Thanks.
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Shawn-
Remove the fans, radiator w/hoses, a/c condenser, headlights, foglights, splash shields, bumper w/reinforcement, radiator overflow, and fenders. You can have this done in an hour.
Drill out spot welds for radiator support. Take a big ass sledge hammer and beat the apron/inner fender back into shape as best you can. Spotweld new radiator support in place, paint support. Install new/used parts, maybe Tsurus. If the apron/inner fender isn't completely perfect, it's not that important. The headlights, radiator, condenser will be bolted to the radiator support along with the fender. It looks like you might have a little wire soldering to do on the relay box/harness for a couple of wires, not sure.
I'll let the sarcasm slide.
Sounds very similar to Robs (generous as hell) idea above. Thanks for the list. I can follow that.
Get the damn car beaten, pounded, unbolted, rebolted, blah, blah, blah, into running/working condition. Do the work myself. Frightening thought, LOL.
Find a body pro that will work on the side perhaps to help me with the welding stuff. Cash green money.
Then perhaps drive to freakin' Omaha or whatever godfersaken place Rob lives. LOL.
Alright, I can go with these ideas. I gotta run errands in the morning, but will start further dismantling around lunch.
I don't even know how to drain a radiator, and I am planning on fixing my Classic. ... ...
Appreciate everybody's input.
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Shawn, you're very, very, very lucky that you didn't even touch the frame rail. you luckily slid right under the suv in such a manner that you saved your car.
here's what you need:
right apron
right fender
right headlight assembly (may as well go with the tsuru kit. just my oppinion)
completel radiator core support
bumper
bumper cover
of coarse radiator, a/c condensor(if you had a/c), altenator, and all other mechanical parts that were damaged.
plus most likely minot repairs to wiring harness.
my advice to you, my friend:
get all those parts from from whatever donor car. ALL body and frame parts will work from ANY b13 sentra. mechanical parts will have to be salvaged from an se-r or nx2000. DO NOT GET THE NEW KEYSTONE RADIATOR. I REPEAT, DO NOT! the water necks on the keystone radiator are smaller than stock.
get the parts together, and have a body man do the work. if you're luck, you could have it done for not much more than a case of beer.
i really hope that you can get this fixed. i'll show my dad the pics tomorrow evening and he'll be able to give you exacts on what to do.
Shawn, I've got a friend that knows MANY repair shops in H-Town. Let me see what I can get you. One of the shops did a motor swap for him, for free, including motor/tranny.
I'll PM you when I get details.
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Looks like plenty folks coming to the fore, m'friend. Rob and some of these other folks are golden. Wow. I just caught the thread. Looks like you missed the rail and suspension, as was noted; a donor car is ANY '93-4 (and maybe some stuff from '91-2). I couldn't bear to take shots of my crunch; it was not as extensive as yours but almost same exact event. Fortunately as you've seen in my postings it worked out okay. Pretty sure yours can too. I have a place called Pull-a-part here in ATL, two yards, few SE-Rs but lotsa Sentras (and some G20's), parts are CHEAP; you need somethin' and I'll go look for and fetch it. Part cost and shipping, like the others my time is yours. Go to www.pullapart.com and also note other locations, maybe others of us will also have one close; also you can look up prices (a headlite is the same price whether off a sentra or a bmw). Go for it, bud. Let's make your baby one again.
Jer
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dude.. again.. i was just sooo pisted how it looked.. i mean my radiator support was literally 2 inches from the header... i never took pics of it hit cause.. that would make me more pisted... and no one wants to see me angry... i just said *** it an fixed it... i got one qoute from a shop... $1500 lol... ill post pics of it now this afternoon
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I wish I lived by you. We could have this done in a weekend. I get geeked thinking about fixing stuff like this. Before and afters are great.
We've had our differences. I can be a complete asshole. I sincerely appreciate all your input. Thank you.
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Fix it Shawn there are enough sentra 2-doors in Houston donors aren't a problem. Not a bad as I thought.
I'm on it. Careful, I know you know how to wrench, and I have your phone number.
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Shawn, you're very, very, very lucky that you didn't even touch the frame rail. you luckily slid right under the suv in such a manner that you saved your car.
here's what you need:
right apron
right fender
right headlight assembly (may as well go with the tsuru kit. just my oppinion)
completel radiator core support
bumper
bumper cover
of coarse radiator, a/c condensor(if you had a/c), altenator, and all other mechanical parts that were damaged.
plus most likely minot repairs to wiring harness.
my advice to you, my friend:
get all those parts from from whatever donor car. ALL body and frame parts will work from ANY b13 sentra. mechanical parts will have to be salvaged from an se-r or nx2000. DO NOT GET THE NEW KEYSTONE RADIATOR. I REPEAT, DO NOT! the water necks on the keystone radiator are smaller than stock.
get the parts together, and have a body man do the work. if you're luck, you could have it done for not much more than a case of beer.
i really hope that you can get this fixed. i'll show my dad the pics tomorrow evening and he'll be able to give you exacts on what to do.
so til then...
Lance
Thanks Lance. I obviously have some serious unbolting to do.
In the rain. And cold. In the street.
I don't give a damn anymore about my lack of mechanical aptitude. I am going to learn as I go. Simple as that.
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Originally Posted by TeKKiE
Shawn, I've got a friend that knows MANY repair shops in H-Town. Let me see what I can get you. One of the shops did a motor swap for him, for free, including motor/tranny.
I'll PM you when I get details.
I need a good body man that will work on the side. I will do any prep work, mechanical stuff. Have him fix the body damage for cash green money. My favorite type of transaction.
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Originally Posted by jerryeads
Looks like plenty folks coming to the fore, m'friend. Rob and some of these other folks are golden. Wow. I just caught the thread. Looks like you missed the rail and suspension, as was noted; a donor car is ANY '93-4 (and maybe some stuff from '91-2). I couldn't bear to take shots of my crunch; it was not as extensive as yours but almost same exact event. Fortunately as you've seen in my postings it worked out okay. Pretty sure yours can too.
I have a place called Pull-a-part here in ATL, two yards, few SE-Rs but lotsa Sentras (and some G20's), parts are CHEAP; you need somethin' and I'll go look for and fetch it. Part cost and shipping, like the others my time is yours. Go to www.pullapart.com and also note other locations, maybe others of us will also have one close; also you can look up prices (a headlite is the same price whether off a sentra or a bmw). Go for it, bud. Let's make your baby one again.
Jer
Looks like you just stepped to the fore as well my friend. Thanks for the encouragement, information, and offer.
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dude.. again.. i was just sooo pisted how it looked.. i mean my radiator support was literally 2 inches from the header... i never took pics of it hit cause.. that would make me more pisted... and no one wants to see me angry... i just said *** it an fixed it... i got one qoute from a shop... $1500 lol... ill post pics of it now this afternoon
My fans are an inch from the header, and I have (had) Spal slim fans. LOL.
Lessee...we both love B13's, green of two kinds, and have volcanic tempers. That's enough in common.
Like with DJ above, I can be an asshole. You and I have crossed verbal swords more than once. Thanks for dropping those issues and helping me out.
Geezus guys, I am overwhelmed with your responses.
With the help of this forum, thee finest in existence, I am going to revive my baby. Bring her back from the dead.
Thanks to all that have offered help, advice, and moral support.
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shawn we are different then others thats why we must stick together pics of my front end an the whole car will be up tonight guys... no more sunny grill with tsuru lights...
after my accident... i put on SPAL fans with samco hoses..
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I need a good body man that will work on the side. I will do any prep work, mechanical stuff. Have him fix the body damage for cash green money. My favorite type of transaction.
Just wanted to say, if you want it to turn out really well as I know you do. Let a body man do the prep work, if your talking about primer etc. Any bodyman will tell you that it's all in the prep. Other than that, go for it dude. I'm very happy to see your car coming back to life.
Oh and I just wanted to say this is beautiful, the way this forum comes together as a family in times of need.
Pull-a-part FTMFW. I have one in Nashville if you need anything thing as well. Like Jerryeads said parts are cheap. I know of one B13 SE-R and more B13 sentras than I can count. most in good shape. Also 2 NX2000 but all the good parts have been stripped on them like Radiators and brake's.
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Shawn, I can help and I have plenty of driveway and garage space, tools too. Even a truck to carry it up here.
Good to see your head up. When she's fixed it's gonna be like make-up sex! I'll pm you.
motivation shawn..... an that was after a 60mph crash into the rear of a red ford focus brakes locking up.i still got some lining up to do an those lil holes on the fender im gonna match up the holes.. drill, anti-rust paint,size 10' witha nut should hold it down...
i was to pisted to let it sit there for any longer
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It is pissing down rain about 40 degrees outside. Pneumonia is probably not something I need right now. Highly annoyed, I had plans to pull all kinds of dead stuff off.
So I went and looked at a donor vehicle. 91' SE-R. Black.
I can get:
right apron
right fender - NO
right headlight assembly (may as well go with the tsuru kit. just my oppinion)
complete radiator core support
bumper
bumper cover
hood, hood hinges
Radiator overflow bottle
Windshield wiper bottle
Fuse box
of coarse radiator, a/c condensor), altenator, and all other mechanical parts that were damaged.
Hmmm....that looks like Lukamccloud's list, but longer.
Cost? $200.00. All of the above list. In excellent working condition.
Oh yeah....it comes in a working SE-R. I drove it. Motor looks cleaner than mine. The 5-speed tranny does not pop out of 5th. It has the original wheels. The trunk and wing are fine too. All the other body panels have serious dings, scuffs, small dents, etc.....
I didn't look, but I think the windshield is intact as well. Mine was already cracked, now it is extra cracked. Will have to be replaced.
Stripped interior, but is has the one (1) peice I need that was damaged during a stereo theft. LOL.
Therefore I would have every single thing I need, except the right front fender.
Plus I would have a motor/tranny to trade/sell/give to someone, perhaps to repay for assistance or cover costs. Whatever.
Bad News:
No title. A mechanic that I know was paid with the car for doing some work. The kid that sold him the car never provided a title. The mechanic has been sitting on the car for a year.
He will sell it to me for 2 bills.
How fuxored am I if I am driving this car to my house and get pulled over?
That is my only concern. I know the mechanic. Those guys are dead honest. This is not a stolen car or anything.
I would assume (hehe) that I cannot buy the stuff I need at a junkyard that cheap. Correct?
I should go buy the donor?
Am I missing anything? Remember my cluelessness is extraordinary.
I feel a plan coming together.
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So I went and looked at a donor vehicle. 91' SE-R. Black.
right headlight assembly
complete radiator core support
bumper cover
Bad News:
No title. A mechanic that I know was paid with the car for doing some work. The kid that sold him the car never provided a title. The mechanic has been sitting on the car for a year.
How fuxored am I if I am driving this car to my house and get pulled over?
Bad news time, those parts are different on a 91-92 from a 93-94.
If he wanted to do the leg work he could apply for a title. (Or you could put the plates from a black 2 dr Sentra on it, I *think* you just might have something that would work )
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right headlight assembly
complete radiator core support
bumper cover
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Originally Posted by Blair
Bad news time, those parts are different on a 91-92 from a 93-94.
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get all those parts from from whatever donor car. ALL body and frame parts will work from ANY b13 sentra. mechanical parts will have to be salvaged from an se-r or nx2000. DO NOT GET THE NEW KEYSTONE RADIATOR. I REPEAT, DO NOT! the water necks on the keystone radiator are smaller than stock.
Blair, are you sure? Not trying to get you two guys arguing, just asking for confirmation.
Further, even if those items are not usuable from the donor, is the rest of the list, plus the motor/tranny, worth spending $200 bucks?
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right apron
right fender - NO
right headlight assembly - NO (may as well go with the tsuru kit. just my oppinion)
complete radiator core support - NO, this one sucks, cause the donor stuff is clean
bumper
bumper cover - NO but will it work anyways? Ie... fit for now?
hood, hood hinges
Radiator overflow bottle
Windshield wiper bottle
Fuse box
of coarse radiator, a/c condensor, altenator, and all other mechanical parts that were damaged.
So, $200 bucks for that list.
Buy it?
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) poorly done. So it might not have everything I need for a DD. AC stuff for instance.
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