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Old 04-25-2008, 10:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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b13 cranks but wont fire

My B13 will crank till no end, but it wont fire.

I have spark [bright white].
I have fuel [~39 psi].
Threw codes 11 and 21.
Crank angle sensor fine [injectors click every 90 degrees hen spinning the shaft].
Ignitor fine [checked resistance between pins].

I put a highport cam in it, an adjustable fuel pressure regulator, and a header.

Cam timing is right [ at 0 degrees exhaust cam sprocket dot is at 12o'clock with 20 pins between cam sprocket dots].

Ive swapped the MAF, disto, ignitor, coil and took off the MSD ignition.

Cranks but thats it, not even a hint of firing.

In the fsm it says if showing codes 11 and 21 to check things that would cause a bad crank angle sensor. What would that be? The cam timing is right.

I am completely stumped. Pretty frustrated also. I can usually nab problems fairly quick, but I have no clue.

Please, help me out. Im hoping thats Im just over looking something obvious


Im thinking it has to be a timing issue, because of the fuel and spark. I also tried rotating the distro cap while someone cranked it, no hint of firing.

Its my birthday, so pity me and my POS SE-R. If someone can figure this out I'll send you a free sr20forum.com decal or a bunch of them, I dont care. Just help me!

Thanks guys.
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Old 04-25-2008, 10:42 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The crank angle sensor is housed within the distributor. Try another dizzy. Thing is though, if your CAS is bad, you probably aren't getting any fuel. If the CAS isn't working properly, I don't believe your fuel pump will operate.
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Old 04-25-2008, 10:48 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Check the power transistor. When my brother first got his engine in, we couldn't figure out why it wouldn't fire, but it just ended up being the power transistor.
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Old 04-25-2008, 11:08 PM   #4 (permalink)
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One time I somehow installed my distributor 180* out of phase and had similar symptoms. Happy B-day Nick!
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Old 04-26-2008, 12:30 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Yea the CAS is fine, as is the ignitor(power transistor). As for the distro being 180 out, mine can't go 180 out. The slot in the cam is slightly offset. Keep the ideas coming though... Thanks guys!

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Old 04-26-2008, 11:13 AM   #6 (permalink)
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As for the distro being 180 out, mine can't go 180 out. The slot in the cam is slightly offset.
Trust me Nick, its possible! I wouldn't have believed it myself until I accidentally did it.
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Old 04-26-2008, 05:11 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Trust me Nick, its possible! I wouldn't have believed it myself until I accidentally did it.
well before I tried putting the distro in 180 out and I couldn't. turns out i had the cams 180 out but that is fixed now. I tried for about a half hour to get the distro in backwards (because the cam was backwards) and no go. im almost positive its bot the distro but ill check again. no harm in double checking
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Old 04-26-2008, 06:01 PM   #8 (permalink)
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If your crank signal was bad you should have no spark. You sure you are getting fuel to the cylinder? If you are getting spark and fuel it should at least try to fire. Where are you checking for spark at? I think you have a bad crank sensor.
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Old 04-26-2008, 06:59 PM   #9 (permalink)
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If your crank signal was bad you should have no spark. You sure you are getting fuel to the cylinder? If you are getting spark and fuel it should at least try to fire. Where are you checking for spark at? I think you have a bad crank sensor.
if you pull the disto out and turn the shaft every 90 degrees you can hear an injector click and the fuel pump run. unless im mistaken, this would mean the CAS is fine.

Checking for spark I connect a wire to a plug and hold the plug to a ground and it sparks. The only thing I can think of is spark is out of time.

This thing has be completely baffled.

Im also starting to lean towards a bad ECU. the only thing I can think is I damaged it when taking I out of the bracket to check codes before I realize cam timing was off. Unrelated, but I thought it was odd that the LED and screw were on the side facing the fire wall.
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Old 04-26-2008, 09:14 PM   #10 (permalink)
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You check the wheel inside the distributor that the sensor reads to make sure it isn't damaged or misaligned?
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Old 04-27-2008, 06:54 PM   #11 (permalink)
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You check the wheel inside the distributor that the sensor reads to make sure it isn't damaged or misaligned?
If this was the case wouldn't the injectors not click?
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Old 04-27-2008, 09:38 PM   #12 (permalink)
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So I assume the plugs come out dry?
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Old 04-28-2008, 12:48 AM   #13 (permalink)
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So I assume the plugs come out dry?
Wouldn't they come out wet if the injectors are firing?
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Old 04-28-2008, 12:52 AM   #14 (permalink)
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So I assume the plugs come out dry?
No, they come out wet. I havent had a chance to touch it, but hen thinking about it Im thinking it isnt sparking as much as it should. What I mean is, it isnt sparking ever cycle. Im thinking coil. I have a MSD Blaster coil, and I swapped it out for a stock coil I had laying around, but I can't remember what that coil came out of, and if it is good.

So tomorrow... swap out with the coil from my running G20. After that... ECU.
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Old 04-28-2008, 02:46 AM   #15 (permalink)
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timing chain may have jumped on crank end.
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timing chain may have jumped on crank end.
But that would force the cam timing to be off at TDC. He said it was dead-on, so timing isn't going to be the issue. Unless, of course, he didn't check it at TDC.
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Old 04-28-2008, 08:28 PM   #17 (permalink)
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If the plugs come out wet it's definitely not your fuel system. Compression check, and if that's okay, it's an ignition problem.
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Old 04-29-2008, 01:25 AM   #18 (permalink)
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when you turn the key on do you have a check engine light? if so more than likely the ecm is good. if your sure you have fuel n spark, dbl check plug wires coming off cap are going to the right cyl. when i go to the shop tomorrow ill pull up the trouble shooting ish for those...
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But that would force the cam timing to be off at TDC. He said it was dead-on, so timing isn't going to be the issue. Unless, of course, he didn't check it at TDC.
With the crank at TDC, the exhaust cam sprocket's dot is at 12 o'clock, with 20pins to the intake cam.

I still havent got a chance to touch the car. Two full-time jobs, and 3 broken cars don't leave me with much free time. It is at my parents house, so I can only work during the day.... Tomorrow morning maybe....
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Old 05-01-2008, 12:26 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Now I'm on the same page as you :-/

I accidently cut some wires and was wondering why my car wouldn't start... I am embarrassed. I spliced the wires back up and now it won't start.
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