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Old 08-29-2008, 04:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Gas mileage contest - Who's SR gets the best mileage?



Are any of you guys familiar with "hypermiling"? How many mpg's can your SE-R muster? For those of you located in the northeast, the Adirondack Motor Enthusiast Club A.M.E.C. will be holding a Fall Foliage "Economy Run" coming up this October 5, 2008.


A little history: A.M.E.C. held it's first Economy Run back in 1954. Now 54 years later with record high fuel prices, the club decided to bring the event back. Our members created a new course and the event took place this past August 10th. It was very well received and was thoroughly enjoyed by all who participated. Results can been seen here. It was a good dry run to make sure everything went smoothly and that our laptop excel program worked properly to calculate the results. We enjoyed it so much that we have planned an "Economy Run II" and this time would like to open it up to like minded individuals who would like to join us. To keep it easy to manage and fun we will limit registration to the first 20 entrants.

Here are the details:

What: Fuel mileage contest through the southern Adirondacks of NY. The route will be on some really nice scenic and challenging roads and will run 106.3 miles in distance. Your “economic” driving ability will be tested. Cars will be filled with fuel by an AMEC official and then weighed on electronic scales. Small ramps are employed for easy on and off of the scales. There will be a time limit of three hours to complete the event. Any street legal vehicle is allowed to participate, [including motorcycles].This event will run rain or shine.

Where: The starting spot will be at the Fairway Oil gas station on Route 5 in Fonda, NY. [directions below].

When: Sunday, October 5th, 2008. Arrival time will be 8:00-8:30am, first car off at 9:00am. They have gas and diesel and have a large enough parking lot that we won’t be in the way. (They also don’t use ethanol, if that makes a difference to anyone.)

Cost: $10 per vehicle

Awards include:

1. Best overall mpg for gas cars

2. Best overall mpg for diesels and hybrids

3. Best ton-mile per gallon [TMPG] Car weight in pounds divided by 2000 times miles driven divided by gallons consumed. A handy calculator is here.

4. Best carbureted mpg

5. Best miles per dollar. [Based on the actual cost to travel the 106.3 miles. For example, we had a diesel VW Jetta get 56 mpg and a Dodge Avenger get 48 mpg. Because the diesel fuel was about a dollar more per gallon than the gasoline, the Avenger won this contest.]

Note: If we get more than one motorcycle, we will add a class for them.

Awards: This event will conclude about noon, and our plan is to proceed up the nearby Checkers Out Go-Kart track for lunch, trophy awards, and optional indoor go-kart races if you so desire. Checkers Out Speedway is an indoor go kart track open year round, and is located about ¾ of a mile south of Johnstown, NY, on NYS Route 30A. Physical address: 2299 State Hwy 30A Johnstown, NY 12905. Track phone: 518 736-4630

Directions: to Fairway Oil gas station: Take NY Thruway Exit 28. After the toll booth, turn left onto Riverside Drive. Then turn right onto South Bridge Street and go over the bridge. On the other side of the bridge is a traffic light. You can see Fairway Oil and Gas on your left. Turn left onto Route 5 and enter the station.

To register for this event: Please contact Mike Kamm at (518) 674-0520 or via email: mkamm [at ] juno [ dot] com. There is also a message board thread regarding this event on the A.M.E.C. message board here.





Registered drivers as of 9-6-08:

1. Dave Burnham - 1991 Diesel VW Jetta
2. Dick Vedder - 2000 Ford ZX2 S/R
3. Mark Long - 1997 Dodge Avenger
4. Mike Kamm - 1977 Datsun B210 mpg
5. Claude Hutchings - 1999 Saab 9-3
6. Ernie Yue - 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250cc
7. Ronny Kienhuis - 1972 Citroen SM or 1992 Subaru SVX
8. "Bestmapman" [Clean mpg forums] 2007 Toyota Prius, Cincinnati, KY.
9. "JPS000" - 2008 Toyota Prius
10. Al Walker - [Clean MPG] - 2004 Toyota Prius - Boston, MA
11. Brian Wilsey - 2003 Mazda Protege [2.0]
12. Tom Moeller - 1994 Mazda Miata - Saratoga NY
13. Carl Germain - 1950 Studebaker Champion Business Coupe
14. Bill Clark - 1960 Metropolitan convertible - Endicott, NY
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Old 09-19-2008, 11:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Registered driver's list as of 9-20-08

1. Dave Burnham - 1991 Diesel Jetta - Delanson, NY
2. Dick Vedder - 2000 Ford ZX2 S/R - Johnstown, NY
3. Mark Long - 1997 Dodge Avenger - Staatsburg, NY
4. Mike Kamm - 1977 Datsun B210 - Averill Park, NY
5. Claude Hutchings - 1999 Saab 9-3 - Saquiot, NY
6. Ernie Yue - 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250cc - Mechanicville, NY
7. Ronny Kienhuis - 1972 Citroen SM or 1992 Subaru SVX - Long Island, NY
8. Jud Engels [Clean mpg forums] 2007 Toyota Prius - Cincinnati, KY.
9. "JPS000" - 2008 Toyota Prius
10. Al Walker - [Clean MPG] - 2004 Toyota Prius - Boston, MA
11. Brian Wilsey - 2003 Mazda Protege - Amsterdam, NY
12. Tom Moeller - 1994 Mazda Miata - Saratoga NY
13. Carl Germain - 1950 Studebaker Champion Business Coupe - Syracuse, NY
14. Bill Clark - 1960 Metropolitan - Endicott, NY
15. Jonathan Bartlett - 2005 Passat TDI wagon[Biodiesel] - Sterling, MA
16. Pam Subik - 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee - Mayfield, NY
17. Tom Compoli - 1981 VW Rabbit - Schenectady, NY
18. Chris Werner, 1991 Ford Festiva - Troy, NY
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This event will be completely full shortly. What I will do is add 3 more spots for cancellations and no shows.

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Old 10-13-2008, 09:20 PM   #3 (permalink)
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This event was awesome. Unfotunately I had the only Nissan [Datsun] product in the competition.

Here's how I prepared my car for this event.

Previously the car was modified for speed and power. I used it for hillclimbs and such. I built and modified the 1397cc engine to 1608cc's complete with twin 40mm Dellortos...


It ran terrific but only got 25 mpg. OK so I needed a stock engine for economy run events.


So I removed this original 1397cc engine from my '76 B210 parts car. It sat outside in a field for the last 15 years. It needed some TLC.


I tore it down and freshened it up.


I used an '80 Datsun 210 "mpg" cylinder head with it's smaller round intake ports and small combustion chambers. This head, on the B210 block [with it's flat top pistons] yields about 10.75 to 1 compression ratio. High compression is key for improving gas mileage.


Other than the Pacesetter header and 2" mandrel bent exhaust system, the rest of the drivetrain is stock.


The big engine comes out, the little one goes in....

After bolting it all together, I fine tuned it with an Innovate LM1 wide band oxygen sensor setup. After rejetting the stock Hitachi carburetor for between 14.6 and 15.0 to 1 A/F ratio, I took the car out on a 64 mile test loop the afternoon before the big event. I topped up the fuel tank to the rim and then carefully drove a 64 mile loop. I refilled the tank [right to the rim again] and it took 1.1 gallons of gas. I was very happy to have gotten 56 mpg in this initial test! B210's sit quite high off of the ground and this brings a poor drag coefficient, so I went home that night and tried to help the poor aerodynamics. I added a makeshift front chin spoiler, clear plexiglass headlight covers, and blocked off half of the grill to reduce wind drag.

The next I morning I competed in the A.M.E.C. Economy Run event and carefully drove the 118.7 mile distance. During the post event refill it took only 1.91 gallons of fuel. This equates to 61.53 miles per gallon!

I think we have a new record for the B210/B310 chassis folks.

This was not my absolute best attempt at fuel mileage for these cars. I would have needed much more time to prepare. There are many other things I can and will try in the future including lowering the car and other aerodynamic tweaks.

Full results for this event are HERE.

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A.M.E.C. Economy Run III

We will be holding another of these great Economy run event this summer and the date will be August 23rd. The course will be 94 miles through the southern Adirondack mountains and will end with awards and lunch served on a beach on beautiful Sacandaga Lake.

Full details HERE.
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holy MPG in a datsun batman!!!

i certainly got nothing on this event!!! im LUCKY to sqeak 160 miles out of my gas sippin b13!!! thats from a full tank!!!
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I'll be shooting for 70 mpg at this event with my Datsun B210. Going all out, with a full belly pan, 155/80R13 tires, all synthetic lubricants, lowered suspension, even Moon disc wheel covers for less drag. Might add an alternator cut switch too. The contest is only 94 miles. If I add a deep cycle marine battery I'll be fine.
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I'll be shooting for 70 mpg at this event with my Datsun B210. Going all out, with a full belly pan, 155/80R13 tires, all synthetic lubricants, lowered suspension, even Moon disc wheel covers for less drag. Might add an alternator cut switch too. The contest is only 94 miles. If I add a deep cycle marine battery I'll be fine.
alt kill switch. hmm. y'all go all out!
dont forget the electric water pump.
so would you be using an aluminum fuel cell for less weight? or do you keep the stock tank installed just not full?
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so would you be using an aluminum fuel cell for less weight? or do you keep the stock tank installed just not full?
The stock tank on a B210 is in the trunk, so it's like a fuel cell already.

As much as I'd like to run less than a full tank, we all fill our tanks to the rim before we start the event. Then we drive the distance [in this case 94 miles] and then refill to exactly the same level. This is how we accurately calculate fuel consumption. Otherwise, if you just refill the tank by the usual means of letting it shut off itself, results can be skewed quite a bit by that inconsistency.

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We will be holding another of these great Economy run event this summer and the date will be August 23rd. The course will be 94 miles through the southern Adirondack mountains and will end with awards and lunch served on a beach on beautiful Sacandaga Lake.

Full details HERE.
Just a note to let you all know that we're filling up really quickly this year. Twenty five spots are the cut off and we're at 20 already. And the event is still almost two months away!

I'd sure like to see some Sentras in there duking it out with the others.

Registered driver's list as of 7-8-09

1. Mike Kamm - 1977 Datsun B210 - Averill Park, NY
2. Tom Moeller - 1994 Mazda Miata - Saratoga, NY
3. Dave Burnham - 1991 Eco Diesel Jetta - Delanson, NY
4. Ben Jones - 1991 Honda CRX - Hanover, NH
5. Richard Vedder - 2000 Ford ZX2 S/R - Johnstown, NY
6. Martin Deschenes - 2000 VW Jetta TDI - Quebec City, QC
7. Ron Kienhuis - 1972 Citroën SM - Long Island, NY
8. Vlad Saakyan - 2003 Suzuki Svs650 - 518 forums
9. Bill Clark - 1957 Metropolitan Hartop - Endicott, NY
10. Bruce Turk- 1958 Saab 93B - Walden, NY
11. Ernie Yue - 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250cc
12. Dan & Richard Dobbins - 1964 Studebaker GT Hawk - Long Island, NY
13. Matt Herring - 2009 Toyota Prius - Boston, MA
14. Robert Smalls - 2000 Honda Insight - Buffalo, NY
15. Peter Ramotowski - 2000 VW Golf TDI - Albany, NY
16. Eric Hoefer - 2008 Honda Fit - Guilderland, NY
17. Ryan Kramer - 1988 Toyota MR2 Supercharged - Albany NY
18. Lance David - 1996 Chevy Cavalier - Johnstown, NY
19. Darin Cosgrove - 1998 Pontiac Firefly - Ontario, Canada
20. Chang Ho Kim - 89 Honda CRX - Maynard, MA
20. Darin Cosgrove - 1998 Pontiac Firefly - Ontario, Canada
21. Jeff Morgan - 1992 240sx - Rotterdam, NY
22. Hobbit - 2004 Toyota Prius - Boston, MA
23. Tom Compoli - 1981 VW Rabbit - Schenectady, NY
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That's pretty neat!

The most I got out of the B14 was 41mpg on the highway. That's really being light on the throttle and staying out of boost.

Playing around a bit with other cars on the way to the convention, I'd drop down to around 35mpg.
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Registration is now closed for Economy Run III

The fact that we filled up the event six weeks in advance is surprising
and encouraging at the same time. It shows that quite a few people really
want to participate in these types of events. Unfortunately, these events
are far and few between. We need more of them! They are not really
difficult to do and I hope we have inspired other groups or car clubs to
create their own versions of these events for all to enjoy.

1. Mike Kamm - 1977 Datsun B210 - Averill Park, NY
2. Tom Moeller - 1994 Mazda Miata - Saratoga, NY
3. Dave Burnham - 1991 Eco Diesel Jetta - Delanson, NY
4. Ben Jones - 1991 Honda CRX - Hanover, NH
5. Richard Vedder - 2000 Ford ZX2 S/R - Johnstown, NY
6. Martin Deschenes - 2000 VW Jetta TDI - Quebec City, QC
7. Ron Kienhuis - 1972 Citroën SM - Long Island, NY
8. Vlad Saakyan - 2003 Suzuki Svs650 - 518 forums
9. Bill Clark - 1957 Metropolitan Hartop - Endicott, NY
10. Bruce Turk- 1958 Saab 93B - Walden, NY
11. Ernie Yue - 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250cc
12. Dan & Richard Dobbins - 1964 Studebaker GT Hawk - Long Island, NY
13. Matt Herring - 2009 Toyota Prius - Boston, MA
14. Robert Smalls - 2000 Honda Insight - Buffalo, NY
15. Peter Ramotowski - 2000 VW Golf TDI - Albany, NY
16. Eric Hoefer - 2008 Honda Fit - Guilderland, NY
17. Ryan Kramer - 1988 Toyota MR2 Supercharged - Albany NY
18. Lance David - 1996 Chevy Cavalier - Johnstown, NY
19. Darin Cosgrove - 1998 Pontiac Firefly - Ontario, Canada
20. Chang Ho Kim - 89 Honda CRX - Maynard, MA
21. Jeff Morgan - 1992 240sx - Rotterdam, NY
22. Hobbit - 2004 Toyota Prius - Boston, MA
23. Tom Compoli - 1981 VW Rabbit - Schenectady, NY
24. Dan Mandle - 2004 Golf TDI [Vegetable Oil] - Potsdam, NY
25. Ricardo Bowlin - 1999 Dodge Avenger - Schenectady, NY

If anyone on this list cannot make it, please let me know.

There is now a waiting list to get in and several people are hoping a spot will open up.
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That's pretty neat!

The most I got out of the B14 was 41mpg on the highway. That's really being light on the throttle and staying out of boost.

Playing around a bit with other cars on the way to the convention, I'd drop down to around 35mpg.
sigh....and you say youre boosted too. im LUCKY to get 15mpg just pedaling the throttle, no boost. it was hard to resist, but i did it a few tanks. my mpg SUCKS! my b13 gets worse mileage than my 84 chevy w/305 edleborck 650cfm, and hooker hedders...catless. soory to thread jack.
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I am interested in lowering the drag coefficient of my cars for better efficiency. I've always been impressed with the fuel efficiency of my 2000 Mazda Protege DX. It is 7 to 8 mpg better than my Sentra SE-R. It was no surprise to see that it's Cd rating is better [at 0.32] than my B13's 0.35 rating.

But until yesterday, while exchanging PM's with Benito Malito, I had forgotten about the NX2000. The cd of the eggs are only 0.31! I found the info HERE.

Ben and I were discussing what SR powered Nissan would offer the best combo for max mpg. I like the combination he came up with:

Mike, I've always thought an NX2000 hardtop would be best for fuel economy because its the most aerodynamic SR20 car. If I was going to build one for hypermiling I'd put an SR16VE (make sure it has the lighter 4 counter weight crank not 8) with an Infinity G20 gearbox because it has the tallest 5th gear and no lsd. You could even throw a set of SR20VE cams in there. That would be unbeatable in my opinion. I look forward to seeing you hypermile your SE-R.

Is there anyone of the forums other than Ben and myself who are interested in max mpgs?


Edit: Being in the Northeast section I am limiting the exposure of this topic/question. I have started another thread about it in the Genral SR20 forum HERE.

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Economy Run III was a huge success, and I want to thank all who participated. I would especially like to thank Mark Long and Dave Burnham who assisted me in administering the day's activities.

Last year's event average for all vehicles was 49.56 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. This year's average? How about 64.12 mpg!

Here are the results:

Gas class

1. Chang Ho Kim - 1989 Honda CRX HF - Maynard, MA 118.1 mpg
2. Darin Cosgrove - 1998 Pontiac Firefly - Ontario, Canada 106.12 mpg
3. Ben Jones - 1991 Honda CRX - Hanover, NH 82.54 mpg
4. Mike Kamm - 1977 Datsun B210 - Averill Park, NY 77.04 mpg
5. Will Meredith - 1998 Honda Civic EX - Binghamton NY 64.62 mpg
6. Richard Vedder - 2000 Ford ZX2 S/R - Johnstown, NY 59.09 mpg
7. Eric Hoefer - 2008 Honda Fit - Guilderland, NY 47.27 mpg
8. Robert Smalls - 1996 AWD Subaru Legacy - Buffalo, NY 46.64 mpg


Diesels and Hybrids

1. Martin Deschenes - 2000 VW Jetta TDI - Quebec City, QC 90.43 mpg
2. Matt Herring - 2009 Toyota Prius - Boston, MA 75.91 mpg
3. Hobbit - 2004 Toyota Prius - Boston, MA 74.28 mpg
4. Dan Mandle - 2004 Golf TDI [Vegetable Oil] - Potsdam, NY 63.41 mpg
5. Dave Burnham - 1991 Jetta Diesel - Delanson, NY 61.18 mpg


Historic class

1. Bill Clark - 1957 Metropolitan Hartop - Endicott, NY 44.64 mpg
2. Jonathan Bartlett - 1969 Saab Sonett V-4 - Sterling, MA 44.26 mpg
3. Jonathan Schaller - 1968 Saab 96 - Hamilton, NY 37.96 mpg
4. Ron Kienhuis - 1972 Citroën SM - Long Island, NY 32.20 mpg
5. Carl Germain - 1950 Studebaker Champion Business Coupe 27.37 mpg

Motorcycles/Scooters

1. Vlad Saakyan - 2003 Suzuki Svs650 - Niskayuna, NY 62.28 mpg


Darin Cosgrove, of Ecomodder.com drove his little Pontiac Firefly [think Geo Metro] in from Canada. He was the last participant to top off after the run. Get this, he only used .98 gallons of fuel for the 104 mile run, and that wasn't good enough to win!


Some of the Historic cars with their drivers in attendance.


This was Will Meredith's 1998 Honda Civic EX. There were more aero modded cars this year than ever!


The red Saab 96 belongs to Jonathan Schaller. Jonathan filled the slot of
a last minute cancellation and we're sure glad he was able to come out.


The biggest surprise was Chang Ho Kim's '89 Honda Civic HF [High Fuel] effiency model that had the wildest aero modded front end that anyone's ever seen. He was the overall mpg champ with 118.1 mpg with
Nokian Hakka R low rolling resistance winter tires on it!


I am very pleased to show you the winner of the Historic Class of Economy Run III. This is Bill Clark's 1957 Metropolitan Hartop. This car has spent the last ten years in either a trailer or in the Norwich museum so when he started driving it there were some problems. Lot's of them. He worked tirelessly until every detail was taken care of. What he ended up with is a car that is now running better than it has in the last 33 years. His goal was 37 mpg [last year's number with his convertible]. How did he do? Well his attention to detail in car prep and his driving earned him an impressive 44.64 mpg and a first place in class. And that was on bias ply tires folks! Well done Bill.


Here we can see Vlad Saakyan on his 2003 Suzuki Svs650. He was the only bike that the weather did not scare away this year. Vlad rode carefully and kept his revs below 4,000 in sixth gear on the course. He logged 62.28 mpg with his 650cc sport bike. Behind him in this picture is overall high mpg man Chang Ho Kim in his '89 CRX HF. Check it out, he had every body seam sealed off with painter's tape. He had to climb through the window to keep the seal intact while stopping to pick up his card at the check point.


More check point action. At the furthest point in the 104 mile loop, we had every driver stop and pick up a card. This proved that they drove the entire distance and did not take any short cuts. If you look closely, you can see Chang in his yellow shirt, picking up his card at the base of the
stop sign.


This is Carl Germain gettting out of the oldest car in competition. His 1950 Studebaker Champion business coupe was able to achieve very impressive 27.37 mpg. It is a fantastic example with just 35,000 original
miles. This is a big car with a 160 cubic inch straight six flathead, a three speed overdrive transmission and 4.56 gears!


From the driver's seat of Ronny's Maserati powered Citroen SM. With their 3 liter V-6 engines sporting three two barrel Weber DCNF carburetors, these 3,500 lb. grand touring cars generally only get about 15 mpg. Ronny got more than twice that at 32.20 mpg!


Topping up Ben Jone's CRX. Ben's car has a later Civic VX lean burn vtec[e engine swapped into his car coupled with a tall geared HF transaxle for even further fuel economy benefits. He had a fantastic result of 82.54 mpg.


Richard Vedder appears to be passing Ronny here, as he is on his way to his best ever result of 59.09 mpg in his 2000 Ford ZX2 S/R.


And here's a rather unassuming looking contestant right? Looks can be deceiving. Last year's events proved that pound for pound, diesels rule the roost for economy. This is Martin Deschenes 2000 VW Jetta TDI. Martin drove 7 hours one way, from Quebec City in Canada to run at our event. He clearly has the long distance award. Soft spoken Martin is a very knowledgeable and talented hypermiler. How do I know? Because he won the Diesel/Hybrid class going away with 90.43 mpg! Our previous record for a diesel was 71.55, set by Jonathan Bartlett in his TDI Passat wagon last year. Nice job Martin!


For those wondering what my '77 Datsun B210 was able to muster after the flurry of activity in my garage all month, how about a solid 77.04 mpg! Not too shabby for a carbureted car. There's more left in it too. I'm not done yet.


During the awards under the pavillion, we had each driver get up and tell us all about their cars. This was really interesting as we got to hear a little about each driver's car and what their mods were. This is Matt Herring. He had the best Prius mileage at 75.91 mpg and finished second in the Hybrid/Diesel class.


We tried to line the cars up for a group shot but there were too many. Here's one batch of them. Talk about diversity eh? There are 1950's cars mixed in with hybrids!


Here's another grouping. There were still others as well. This event will be hard to top. The roof was blown off all of the previous records.

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Like the title says: Who's SR gets the best mileage?

Anyone ever break 50 mpg? Can it be done?

I'm going to give it a try on November 1st. That's when the next A.M.E.C. Economy Run event will be held.



Anyone want to challenge me?
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Awesome thread Mike. I like this direction of modification, it's very interesting from a lot of angles. It certainly has enough engineering and wrenching in it to keep me interested.

Congrats on the 77.04 MPG! And your car looks great too BTW.
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Awesome thread Mike. I like this direction of modification, it's very interesting from a lot of angles. It certainly has enough engineering and wrenching in it to keep me interested.

Congrats on the 77.04 MPG! And your car looks great too BTW.
Thanks Dan,

Much appreciated.

How do you think a B13 will look with a grill block and fender skirts?
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NX rims get better mpg than the pizza cutters I gaurantee. Great man. Best of luck. Also get 626 lip and lose the spoiler.
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Old 09-14-2009, 08:56 AM   #19 (permalink)
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NX rims get better mpg than the pizza cutters I gaurantee. Great man. Best of luck. Also get 626 lip and lose the spoiler.
Thanks Ben,

What do you mean about the NX rims? How can they be better than 155/80R13's with moon discs? I already have the standard B13 front brakes on my SE-R to fit the 13" ice racing tires in the winter.



I was thinking of using the 155's and moon discs off of the B210 [swapped to B13 steelies of course].

.... I have a minty black standard trunk lid as well. The drag inducing SE-R spoiler weighs 7 lbs! I also have a passenger mirror blanking plate from an E model to lose the passenger mirror. I'll just fold the driver's mirror in.

Wish I had a CF hood. Dan's got one for sale but I'm not spending hundreds of dollars to save ten cents worth of fuel.

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Old 09-14-2009, 10:11 AM   #20 (permalink)
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I just meant the NX rims probably have less drag than the oem SE-R wheels. It will be interesting to see what it does in stock form with only minor oem replacements from an E model.
Are you going to see what it does like that or throw in more mods initially?
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