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Old 12-15-2010, 10:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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2011 Performance Touring Rules Posted!

Cliff Notes:

- B13 Competition Weight does not change
- NX2000 Competition weight increases to 2520 to match B13
- Ford Probe GT Competition weight increases 60lbs (sorry Todd!)
- 1.6L Miata Weight does not change
- 1.8L Miata (94-97) Weight increases 37lbs to 2330
- 1.8L Miata (99-05) Weight increases 101lbs to 2400
- 02-06 Sentra 2.5L Weight increases 70lbs to 2800
- Roll cage points assessment changed: Can attach 2 bars to firewall for No Points (Scott, does this help you?) - Also, you can gusset any bar to the chassis within 6" of its termination point for No Points.

Link -> http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/p...ring_rules.pdf

Let's hear what everyone thinks.
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Old 12-16-2010, 12:00 AM   #2 (permalink)
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- Ford Probe GT Competition weight increases 60lbs (sorry Todd!)
no problemo; i'm running on the dyno reclass at 2700 lbs and 164 whp; i'm not taking individual points for motor mods and weight reduction.
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Old 12-16-2010, 10:11 AM   #3 (permalink)
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don't forget about this +2 point gotcha!!!!




DOT-approved (non-R-compound) tires with a UTQG treadwear rating of 120-200
(examples: Toyo R1R, Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec, Bridgestone Potenza RE070,
Kumho Ecsta XS, Yokohama Advan A046 & Neova AD08, Hankook R-S3) +2
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Old 12-16-2010, 12:22 PM   #4 (permalink)
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don't forget about this +2 point gotcha!!!!




DOT-approved (non-R-compound) tires with a UTQG treadwear rating of 120-200
(examples: Toyo R1R, Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec, Bridgestone Potenza RE070,
Kumho Ecsta XS, Yokohama Advan A046 & Neova AD08, Hankook R-S3) +2
How is that a "gotcha"? (serious question)

I really like the footnote in appendix B

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The Scott Russell linkage shall be deemed to be equivalent to an OEM Watts link when assessing points
for Suspension mods E.20 and E.21.
B14's using a B15 unit is a +2 ouchey..
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Old 12-16-2010, 01:27 PM   #5 (permalink)
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potential 'gotcha' is someone who is just barely in class and decides to use non-rcompounds to avoid more points now MIGHT get put into the next class by 1 or 2 points depending on where the car was at before this rule change!


(IE: Someone only has 1 point left to spare in PTE and has Direzza Star Spec tires now would be bumped up to PTD with the same tires!)
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Old 12-16-2010, 05:27 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Thanks for the summary, Steve!

The rules don't help my cage situation, unfortunately. But, for the first time in 3 years, the rules haven't HURT the B13 so I guess that the good news.
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Old 12-20-2010, 02:17 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Todd, if they added weight to the car, then you have to get a new dyno re-class......techincally that weight was added last year, in the supplemental list......
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no problemo; i'm running on the dyno reclass at 2700 lbs and 164 whp; i'm not taking individual points for motor mods and weight reduction.
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Old 12-24-2010, 08:06 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Who were the front runners this past year? I'm thinking probably the Hondas.

I know the B13s were no longer contending for podiums because of rule changes.
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Old 12-25-2010, 07:27 PM   #9 (permalink)
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the hondas, the probe and miatas were front runners, I snuck in 2 wins the last weekend but that was a freak occurrence in our region
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Old 12-26-2010, 12:15 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Shame that the cars were held back in PTE. It looks like they can still be strong contenders in PTF.
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Old 12-26-2010, 03:13 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Shame that the cars were held back in PTE. It looks like they can still be strong contenders in PTF.
No one runs F!
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Old 12-26-2010, 11:48 PM   #12 (permalink)
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^ Say what? We thought about running PTF... it would be nice to see more cars in PTF!
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Old 12-27-2010, 05:32 AM   #13 (permalink)
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^ Say what? We thought about running PTF... it would be nice to see more cars in PTF!
<--- will be submitting in January to see what my dyno reclass gets me. If I get what I want, I will be running PTF next year.
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Old 12-27-2010, 05:48 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I plan to run F as well when I get out there.
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Old 12-27-2010, 07:52 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Woot! Glad to hear it!!!! KEEP PTF alive and well so NASA doesn't drop F class for 2012!!!
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Old 12-27-2010, 08:33 AM   #16 (permalink)
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They won't "drop" it I'm sure.. Just need 3 to show at the championships
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Old 12-27-2010, 11:38 AM   #17 (permalink)
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There is a decent turn out for F from the Nasa Championship time sheets I've gone over. I think 3 is definitely doable in the years to come.
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Old 12-27-2010, 12:21 PM   #18 (permalink)
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<--- will be submitting in January to see what my dyno reclass gets me. If I get what I want, I will be running PTF next year.
Bill, what are you smoking?? lol
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Old 12-28-2010, 11:25 PM   #19 (permalink)
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^ Say what? We thought about running PTF... it would be nice to see more cars in PTF!

In GL we have 1-2 cars max. E is strong though....
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Old 12-29-2010, 05:33 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Bill, what are you smoking?? lol
I can't afford the $1000 for cams and ECU to make PTE power, and even if I did, my car is way heavy. I would have to spend big $$ (lexan, carbon fiber) to get my weight down enough to come close to you guys at the pointy end of the field. If (and a big if) I can get PTF w/no stars, I can squeak in to F. Not sure I can get the no star thing, but until I ask, I won't know. This plan also allows me to stay in ITA should I want to run there. Cams will knock me out of IT. I suspect my stock motor is putting 135 at the wheels, so there is a slim possibility it might work.

Just trying to be competitive, equipment wise. Who knows, maybe if there is "someone to beat" in PTF, more cars will post.
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