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Old 09-22-2006, 12:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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paid the $20usd for 24 hour access to nissan techinfo - allows me to view anything marked "subscription required to view"

http://www.nissan-techinfo.com/nissan/find.asp

do a search there, and youll see the key come up with results. eg searching for "consult", i can get the consult1/2 training guide.

if theres anything there that might be usefull, let me know what it is and what to search for to get it, and ill see what i can do.

think it includes all 94+ FSM, if any of them are needed (at least all sentra ones are there, i dont know what the common SR car is in the US)

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in 1994 it's the sentra se-r. 1995-1999 (I think) 200sx SE-R. 98-01 Sentra SE.

Can you download them or just view them?
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Old 09-22-2006, 12:43 PM   #3 (permalink)
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view, but not much harder to download from that. theyre in seperate parts, but easy enough to work out url
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Old 09-22-2006, 01:28 PM   #4 (permalink)
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couldnt find any matches for those. did u use that search page?
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Old 09-23-2006, 08:21 AM   #6 (permalink)
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paid the $20usd for 24 hour access to nissan techinfo - allows me to view anything marked "subscription required to view"

http://www.nissan-techinfo.com/nissan/find.asp

do a search there, and youll see the key come up with results. eg searching for "consult", i can get the consult1/2 training guide.
You obviously already got them but ANYTHING about Consult is a good ref to have. I cannot recall the docs available in there but I think there was some feature where you entered a Nissan ECU Part# and you could download the binary for the ECU. THis might be helpful as well, aspecailly for later ECUs which are not touchable yet by DIYers, Consult, daughterboards, etc.
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Old 09-23-2006, 08:27 AM   #7 (permalink)
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nothing much there i could find, ecu data costs $20 a pop and probably is useless at this stage. theres demos on consult, but they dont help much if u dont have a consult.

only have a couple hours left, last call. 05/06 sentra FSM any use?

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OK, I may have access (albeit "interminent") to a Consult II for the foreseeable future... this is why I was itnerested.. maybe something in there can help in the near future with investigation of newer ECUs..
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Old 09-23-2006, 08:35 AM   #9 (permalink)
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only have a couple hours left, last call. 05/06 sentra FSM any use?
ALL FSMs are of use... get it...

Example: CHASSIS foaming... I think that in some newer Infinitys (and maybe Nissan as well), like the Q45 they actually prescribe Chassis Foaming as a OEM means for chassis strengthening. Maybe the details (like foam brands and densities, foaming positions and methods, etc) can be found in one of those FSMs.
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ok ill get 05/06 sentras (since they arent on site).

if u can get a hold of the consult II and try work out the protocol, thatd be great. do u have an oscilloscope? first point of call would be to find out which pins are used by consult2 (rather than obd2), or whether theyre the same ones. eg, is the hardware the same as a normal obd2 interface, and is it just the ecu and the consult2 have an extension to the "language".

i know most consult 2 ecu's have 3 wires, "kline", "adj sw", and "check". there may be others that are undocumented, or that might be it
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I bought one of the B15 SR20 ecu files a while back. I'll post it sometime, but its not as straightforward as being the raw binary.
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Old 09-24-2006, 10:06 AM   #12 (permalink)
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do we know what cpu the b15 ecu uses? any way to disassemble the bin? and reverse engineer the consult 2 code? (or likewise for any consult 2 ecu?)

ive attached a zip of the consult 2 tutorial
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I bought one of the B15 SR20 ecu files a while back. I'll post it sometime, but its not as straightforward as being the raw binary.
Calum, I will email you pretty soon. Probably some time after Oct7 when my latest "hit" of job-related headaches may subside!! It is time we try getting this binary/board/whatever thing into the next level. Posts like your "old" one about UK N15 boards have my interest but ... as I said, after OCt7!...
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ok ill get 05/06 sentras (since they arent on site).

if u can get a hold of the consult II and try work out the protocol, thatd be great. do u have an oscilloscope? first point of call would be to find out which pins are used by consult2 (rather than obd2), or whether theyre the same ones. eg, is the hardware the same as a normal obd2 interface, and is it just the ecu and the consult2 have an extension to the "language".

i know most consult 2 ecu's have 3 wires, "kline", "adj sw", and "check". there may be others that are undocumented, or that might be it
I will make sure we will make the most of its "interminent" availability... I will make sure I "consult" with you (and the other COnsult/ECU contacts I have) so that I have a test-plan and equipment available before I ask for it for the 1st time.
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Old 09-24-2006, 10:27 AM   #15 (permalink)
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do we know what cpu the b15 ecu uses? any way to disassemble the bin? and reverse engineer the consult 2 code? (or likewise for any consult 2 ecu?)

ive attached a zip of the consult 2 tutorial
Well.. if yoiu do need a quick answer to those...

NO for all of them!!! But we can always Open one of those and check, right?
Over here we do not get B15/N16s with SR20DEs, only QG15/QG18.
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cant hurt to start planning now for what to do when someone does get hands on consult II. i havent done much hacking like this before, but i imagine some of the steps:

1) work out what wires are common between consult II and the obd2 port (FSM, look at port on car, see which have metal contacts, see which contacts used by consult II)
2) obd2 ecu's implement a generic protocol (one of a few) - do all the nissans? if so what protocol? does that protocol govern which pins are used?
3) if they implement an obd2 protocol, and consult II uses the wires to ecu to communicate, this then means the consult2 hardware interface is simply a compliant obd2 interface?
4) if not, are any wires in common? are there any extra ones?

once the hardware is sorted, you want to be able to listen to both ends of the conversation, preferably knowing which is which (eg like rs232 is), but theres a chance its a shared line perhaps? want to be able to record this so other people can help deciphering.

any good resources on whichever obd2 protocol nissan uses?

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Old 09-25-2006, 09:49 AM   #17 (permalink)
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The B15 SR20DE ecu I've got pictures of uses a Renesas ARM variant. See link below. Lucky for us there are docs online. I haven't looked into getting a working disassembler because I don't have a bin file yet.

I need to get my hands on a Consult-II machine (and ecus of course), I have all the other tools needed to reverse engineer the comm protocol (both the newer consult on the 98-99 and the OBD-II stuff on the 00+). I'm hoping the protocol is like the old version, with some function for grabbing the stock rom from the ecu. I'm pretty sure this is the case with the later ecus as there are several places offering tuning services now for those cars (G35, 350Z, etc).

I'd also really like to identify the processor on the 98-99 ecus.

http://www.calumsult.com/calumsu/ROM...cu%20stuff.zip
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i may also be able to get my hands on a consult II, which is why we should work out (for whoever does), the steps we need to take to reverse engineer it. what tools have you got, and what steps would you take to do it? can u answer any of the steps above?

ive got a dual trace oscilioscope (no logging capabilities). what other kind of interfacing would we need to listen in?
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