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Is the realtime ECU the only Calum ECU available for a B14? Is it realtime only because you can make changes with the ECU still on the car?? What's the difference with the older ECUs?? On the old ECUs, you can still change anything you want, you just have to make the change and load it back up? I don't understand what is offered and how stuff works.
What are the differences/advantages/disavantages between a JWT ECU and a Calum ECU?
In the future, I'll need an ECU that can do B14 SR20DET 377CC @ 4 Bar with a Bored MAF, does Calum make an ECU that can support that?
-G
::EDIT:: Damn, forgot I was in a sub-forum and not in the main Calum Forum. Hopefully you guys can still answer my questions or move the post.thanks
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I'm sorry I didn't copy everyone else's setup. If you need a preacher to tell you what mods to put on your car, the Reverend Veilside180sx might have a suggestion.
You need to buy a rom burner. Search the word Moates on the forum for more info.
C
hmmm, from what I found out. A Moates burner costs $85.
So how much are the non-realtime B14 daughter boards?? And from what I can gather Calum will just send you the daughterboard, with no prior configuration it.
So really, to even use the hardware he send you..you NEED to buy a Moates burner to even load a config file onto it. Correct?
I think Calum needs to do a better job explaining what his product is and how the board members can use it. I am not the only one totally confused as to what he's selling. Keep in mind I consider myself someone very well versed in technology. I still don't understand what is being sold and how to use it.
Well the posts you read were probably when it first came out. He can dump a program on it for you.
I have to send mine back to him anyway for the "update" and can have him load whatever on it at the time.
so you send him your ECU and he sends it back to you w/the daughterboard installed and a config that you choose? What are the approximate turnover times for the ECU?
how does the Calum DET configs compare to the the JWT configs?
if you read though the stickies in the main part of the the section it pretty well explains everything.
you send him an ecu. be it your only one, or buy another one to use as a core it doesnt matter as long as it works and works in your car. so for a 95 b14 you send him any 95-97 b14 sr20 USA powered ecu. you spefic if you want the old board or the new real time board. he modifies the ECU to accept a daughter board, which involves making a change to the bottom of the ecu on a certain pin, and then solidering on a set of ribbon cables for a b14 (b13 takes a socket). then installs the daughter board of your choice. he tests it on his bench to verify it will start the car and ships it back to you ready to plug into the car, but should be tuned for most all configurations.
He provides you with the ecu and daughterboard with a general bin file on it. this is usualy a generic bin that will get the car running. if its a common setup in terms of components people have shared their rom's for all to use and that will likely run a lot better and require less tuning. all rom's should be considered a base and should be properly tuned (with a wide band and on a dyno for safety). there are many roms out there that are well vested and can be ran straight up, like a bolt on de tune like what is in my car. once you get into turbo or odd componets you really should tune it on a dyno.
now difference between the two products. the old design board has 2 ZIFF sockets on it for matching rom chips. these are eprom's that have to be burnt in a motes style burner. you remove the lid of the ecu, remove chips, burn rom onto them and reinsert. this works well for a setup that doesnt change, its what i have and have been running in this car for probably 2-3 years now almost i think. its one of the earliest boards and tunes. this tune on a mostly stock engine showed almost 10hp though out the range on the dyno. on an engine with more mods it didnt show as good gains but still had gains and could have used a little tweaking. tuning with this setup isnt as easy as you have to remove the roms to make changes each time. not easy for back to back pulls, takes 1-2 mins to change the roms atleast.
realtime is where it is for tuning or a changing setup. if you are wanting to eek out every last hp its nice to do this stuff on the fly like you can with realtime. with realtime you get a usb plug out the back of the ecu that goes into a laptop. you then install some rom editing software. the board comes to you installed on your supplied ecu and has again a basic tune on it that should get the car running. after that you have to make the changes yourself. realtime allows you to change any map you want on the fly and upload just the changes, most that have worked with an emanage says its almost the exact procedure as the emanage or so ive heard.
compared between the two roms....isnt a matter of which gets more horse power. either can get more. thing is. jwt is 500 dollars and 100 dollars to reflash, not to mention the sometimes 6+ weeks to wait for your ecu to return. no more are you waiting for your ecu to come back so you can drive your car again. jwt is plug and play and safe. clark and the guys spent lots of time figuring out what works safely. but at the expense of leaving some horsepower on the table. you can easily get more hp by leaning them out just a tad, its been shown time and time again. some say JWT runs "pig rich". but you know you shouldnt blow your motor with them. Calum doesnt sell you that guarantee. He sells you the hardware and the ability to do what you want with your car. its basicly an open source ecu, like what the subaru crowd are using these days. you dont get locked into proprietary code that you cant change. yes you can run a jwt rom on a calumsult ecu, *** dont ask for any rom's from a jwt ecu, thats illegal and not right. but there is now a growing community of people experimenting with tuning the ecu and sharing the roms. hell calum's latest thing is if you can get one or two people to buy an realtime, and a crowd together for a dyno day, he will come out and show off how to use it at a dyno day. so you never know, he has been doing house calls....whens the last time clark left so-cal?
read up. just like throwing a turbo on a sr20, or installing an aem ems....you gota do your homework. for the most part, everything is layed out pretty well in these forums. calum has tons of stickies here read them, some are a bit older, but the concept is the same.
if you read though the stickies in the main part of the the section it pretty well explains everything.
you send him an ecu. be it your only one, or buy another one to use as a core it doesnt matter as long as it works and works in your car. so for a 95 b14 you send him any 95-97 b14 sr20 USA powered ecu. you spefic if you want the old board or the new real time board. he modifies the ECU to accept a daughter board, which involves making a change to the bottom of the ecu on a certain pin, and then solidering on a set of ribbon cables for a b14 (b13 takes a socket). then installs the daughter board of your choice. he tests it on his bench to verify it will start the car and ships it back to you ready to plug into the car, but should be tuned for most all configurations.
He provides you with the ecu and daughterboard with a general bin file on it. this is usualy a generic bin that will get the car running. if its a common setup in terms of components people have shared their rom's for all to use and that will likely run a lot better and require less tuning. all rom's should be considered a base and should be properly tuned (with a wide band and on a dyno for safety). there are many roms out there that are well vested and can be ran straight up, like a bolt on de tune like what is in my car. once you get into turbo or odd componets you really should tune it on a dyno.
now difference between the two products. the old design board has 2 ZIFF sockets on it for matching rom chips. these are eprom's that have to be burnt in a motes style burner. you remove the lid of the ecu, remove chips, burn rom onto them and reinsert. this works well for a setup that doesnt change, its what i have and have been running in this car for probably 2-3 years now almost i think. its one of the earliest boards and tunes. this tune on a mostly stock engine showed almost 10hp though out the range on the dyno. on an engine with more mods it didnt show as good gains but still had gains and could have used a little tweaking. tuning with this setup isnt as easy as you have to remove the roms to make changes each time. not easy for back to back pulls, takes 1-2 mins to change the roms atleast.
realtime is where it is for tuning or a changing setup. if you are wanting to eek out every last hp its nice to do this stuff on the fly like you can with realtime. with realtime you get a usb plug out the back of the ecu that goes into a laptop. you then install some rom editing software. the board comes to you installed on your supplied ecu and has again a basic tune on it that should get the car running. after that you have to make the changes yourself. realtime allows you to change any map you want on the fly and upload just the changes, most that have worked with an emanage says its almost the exact procedure as the emanage or so ive heard.
compared between the two roms....isnt a matter of which gets more horse power. either can get more. thing is. jwt is 500 dollars and 100 dollars to reflash, not to mention the sometimes 6+ weeks to wait for your ecu to return. no more are you waiting for your ecu to come back so you can drive your car again. jwt is plug and play and safe. clark and the guys spent lots of time figuring out what works safely. but at the expense of leaving some horsepower on the table. you can easily get more hp by leaning them out just a tad, its been shown time and time again. some say JWT runs "pig rich". but you know you shouldnt blow your motor with them. Calum doesnt sell you that guarantee. He sells you the hardware and the ability to do what you want with your car. its basicly an open source ecu, like what the subaru crowd are using these days. you dont get locked into proprietary code that you cant change. yes you can run a jwt rom on a calumsult ecu, *** dont ask for any rom's from a jwt ecu, thats illegal and not right. but there is now a growing community of people experimenting with tuning the ecu and sharing the roms. hell calum's latest thing is if you can get one or two people to buy an realtime, and a crowd together for a dyno day, he will come out and show off how to use it at a dyno day. so you never know, he has been doing house calls....whens the last time clark left so-cal?
read up. just like throwing a turbo on a sr20, or installing an aem ems....you gota do your homework. for the most part, everything is layed out pretty well in these forums. calum has tons of stickies here read them, some are a bit older, but the concept is the same.
I've read through the stickies, but your post seems to have answered almost all my questions. thanks!
A few more questions:
- How long does it take to get your ECU back from Calum for a simple B14 Daughterboard and does the b14 cost the same as the b13 daughterboards?
I heard it can take up to 2-3 weeks, depending on the program and all that. BUt it also depends on Calum's availability man. He's a busy guy. he keeps us all happy
calum tries to ship on friday. so if you get him you ecu on say monday...good chance it will go back out to you that week. he does have a day job and no internet connection at home... so usually when hes at home thats all he is doing is working on ecu's. realtimes take a little while longer cause they are so complicated.
cool. Looks like when I go turbo I'll strongly consider a Calum ECU over a JWT. Maybe by that time, the B14 DET configs will be a little better than what they currently are.
if you read though the stickies in the main part of the the section it pretty well explains everything.
you send him an ecu. be it your only one, or buy another one to use as a core it doesnt matter as long as it works and works in your car. so for a 95 b14 you send him any 95-97 b14 sr20 USA powered ecu. you spefic if you want the old board or the new real time board. he modifies the ECU to accept a daughter board, which involves making a change to the bottom of the ecu on a certain pin, and then solidering on a set of ribbon cables for a b14 (b13 takes a socket). then installs the daughter board of your choice. he tests it on his bench to verify it will start the car and ships it back to you ready to plug into the car, but should be tuned for most all configurations.
He provides you with the ecu and daughterboard with a general bin file on it. this is usualy a generic bin that will get the car running. if its a common setup in terms of components people have shared their rom's for all to use and that will likely run a lot better and require less tuning. all rom's should be considered a base and should be properly tuned (with a wide band and on a dyno for safety). there are many roms out there that are well vested and can be ran straight up, like a bolt on de tune like what is in my car. once you get into turbo or odd componets you really should tune it on a dyno.
now difference between the two products. the old design board has 2 ZIFF sockets on it for matching rom chips. these are eprom's that have to be burnt in a motes style burner. you remove the lid of the ecu, remove chips, burn rom onto them and reinsert. this works well for a setup that doesnt change, its what i have and have been running in this car for probably 2-3 years now almost i think. its one of the earliest boards and tunes. this tune on a mostly stock engine showed almost 10hp though out the range on the dyno. on an engine with more mods it didnt show as good gains but still had gains and could have used a little tweaking. tuning with this setup isnt as easy as you have to remove the roms to make changes each time. not easy for back to back pulls, takes 1-2 mins to change the roms atleast.
realtime is where it is for tuning or a changing setup. if you are wanting to eek out every last hp its nice to do this stuff on the fly like you can with realtime. with realtime you get a usb plug out the back of the ecu that goes into a laptop. you then install some rom editing software. the board comes to you installed on your supplied ecu and has again a basic tune on it that should get the car running. after that you have to make the changes yourself. realtime allows you to change any map you want on the fly and upload just the changes, most that have worked with an emanage says its almost the exact procedure as the emanage or so ive heard.
compared between the two roms....isnt a matter of which gets more horse power. either can get more. thing is. jwt is 500 dollars and 100 dollars to reflash, not to mention the sometimes 6+ weeks to wait for your ecu to return. no more are you waiting for your ecu to come back so you can drive your car again. jwt is plug and play and safe. clark and the guys spent lots of time figuring out what works safely. but at the expense of leaving some horsepower on the table. you can easily get more hp by leaning them out just a tad, its been shown time and time again. some say JWT runs "pig rich". but you know you shouldnt blow your motor with them. Calum doesnt sell you that guarantee. He sells you the hardware and the ability to do what you want with your car. its basicly an open source ecu, like what the subaru crowd are using these days. you dont get locked into proprietary code that you cant change. yes you can run a jwt rom on a calumsult ecu, *** dont ask for any rom's from a jwt ecu, thats illegal and not right. but there is now a growing community of people experimenting with tuning the ecu and sharing the roms. hell calum's latest thing is if you can get one or two people to buy an realtime, and a crowd together for a dyno day, he will come out and show off how to use it at a dyno day. so you never know, he has been doing house calls....whens the last time clark left so-cal?
read up. just like throwing a turbo on a sr20, or installing an aem ems....you gota do your homework. for the most part, everything is layed out pretty well in these forums. calum has tons of stickies here read them, some are a bit older, but the concept is the same.
Thanks for explaing this so well. It cleared up a lot of my questions.
cool. Looks like when I go turbo I'll strongly consider a Calum ECU over a JWT. Maybe by that time, the B14 DET configs will be a little better than what they currently are.
Hey Gomba lemme know when u want to get the Realtime...I"ll get one too and we can test/tune together and try to figure this stuff out.
-Steve
p.s. see you at the drive-in on saturday?
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