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Time has come for me to pass/fool NJ's top notch inspection. All my EGR crap is removed. All the EGR questions i've found on here pertain to code 3,5. EGR temp sensor. Mine is throwing code 10,5. EGR and canister control solenoid valve. Has anyone on here ran into this code and found a way around it? The only thing i can think of is getting a solenoid valve and plugging it in and crossing my fingers. But if that doesn't fix it i'm stumped.
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The EGR is there to greatly reduce NOx emissions and improve fuel economy.
Even without the codes, you are likely putting out too much NOx out the tailpipe. If you found a way around the codes, you'd still have to contend with that. On a stock motor, there's a chance you could get away with it.. with your engine setup, i strongly doubt it.
BTW, how do those KYB GR2's handle for you? Do they provide adequate damping? I'm thinking about just sticking those on my car, since the spring options look crappy for these vehicles.
yeah thats true but it cleans the emissions but like you say is does fu*k things up in the long run just try a good clean of the egr valve dint think you american boys had to worry about emissions and sh*t
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Time has come for me to pass/fool NJ's top notch inspection. All my EGR crap is removed. All the EGR questions i've found on here pertain to code 3,5. EGR temp sensor. Mine is throwing code 10,5. EGR and canister control solenoid valve. Has anyone on here ran into this code and found a way around it? The only thing i can think of is getting a solenoid valve and plugging it in and crossing my fingers. But if that doesn't fix it i'm stumped.
i have the same set up an all my egr crap is gone an i passed with flying colors. if you cant do it that way give me a call an i can help you out with another way. ill explain better if you call
just about how to get it through the emissions test without this stupid piece of sh*t valve lol its just something i dont see the point in having unless the car belongs to tree huggers lol
how the hell would pumping exhaust gas into the intake improve fuel economy? bs, it's there to gum things up and cause problems. No new car has it.
Actually, i don't know of a new car that *doesn't* have an EGR valve, please name one that doesn't. Your engine does not burn all of the fuel that goes into it, recirculating some exhaust into the intake stream basically burns the leftovers. It also reduces combustion temperatures, strangely enough, which drastically reduces your NOx emissions. On a turbo car you are particularly looking for reduced intake temperatures.
It increases your fuel economy by reburning exhaust gas that was never completely burned in the first place. Keep in mind that gasoline engines are about 10-30% efficient, so a lot of fuel goes out the tailpipe whether you have a 1970's mustang or a 2010 mustang.
Deleting the EGR is a half decent idea on a diesel, or a car that's pre-1970's because when EGR was first invented, it wasn't implemented correctly and caused all sorts of problems.
Removing your carbon canister will reduce your fuel tank's ability to expand and contract from the expansion of the fuel vapors. It will eventually pressurize to the point of blowing a seal somewhere, causing your fuel system to constantly evaporate fuel. There is literally no advantage to deleting that system.
Joe i'll call you tomorrow. To the rest of you's 1st off i've got a JDM DET, aka no egr. So no EGR, BPT or solenoid ( previous owner removed it all ). 2nd i don't care about passing the emission test. This is my 4th SR20 without EGR. It is my 1st OBD2 car without it though. And in the state of NJ they hook up a computer to the car and if it has ANY codes you fail. So as i asked. Has anyone figured out a way to do away with code 10,5 so my CEL goes off?
Welcome to the forum Neptronix. You can safetly remove the EGR on SR20's and suffer no more emissions and in most cases the car will run better and get better MPG. I know this from experience. As do many on this forum. As far as the KYB's i love them. Night and day over the stock struts/shocks.
Keep in mind that gasoline engines are about 10-30% efficient, so a lot of fuel goes out the tailpipe whether you have a 1970's mustang or a 2010 mustang.
You do mean 70-90% right? Wasting 9/10th of a gallon out the tailpipe seems ludicrous...
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You do mean 70-90% right? Wasting 9/10th of a gallon out the tailpipe seems ludicrous...
That's not exactly what i meant, i could have been clearer. I mean that only 10%-30% of the fuel's power is actually used. What goes out of the tailpipe completely unburnt does depend on the engine design and ignition system. In the case of our engines, they are dirtier than say, a direct injection engine, and an EGR certainly does help.
There may be a minimal fuel economy difference, i can assume you would lose most of it due to pumping losses at low-mid throttle ( a serious issue with cars that do not have drive by wire or variable valve timing ), it could be a hard difference to measure unless you had a scanguage. With a turbo car i am sure you don't give a damn. I suppose i don't mention this for you, but other people who feel like removing their EGR because they don't like how it looks.
If your engine came without EGR, then i completely understand.
An OBD2 computer is going to be a lot harder to fool than a OBD1 computer - there are a lot of checks and balances in OBD2. EGR simulators exist but many of them are crap, many mustang guys know about this so ask them. It may actually be cheaper and easier to simply add EGR in the long run. On a turbo setup you will also benefit from the cooled combustion temperatures that EGR provides. Keep in mind that EGR is disengaged usually at 50% throttle and at peak RPMs, so it shouldn't hurt your power. I am no expert on boosting, so maybe i'm missing something.
Thank you for the welcome, and good luck squeezing by with this motor swap on an OBD2 car. Always a pain in the ass.
I think i'm gonna order those GR2's then. Thanks. :
Did you ever find out a way around this? I am looking at swapping to a SR20VE, which apparently came with no EGR stock. They check your engine computer out here, so it's imperative that i have my OBD2 system be happy after the swap.
It would suck to have to add EGR to a JDM motor that wasn't designed for one. Ugh.
Did you ever find out a way around this? I am looking at swapping to a SR20VE, which apparently came with no EGR stock. They check your engine computer out here, so it's imperative that i have my OBD2 system be happy after the swap.
It would suck to have to add EGR to a JDM motor that wasn't designed for one. Ugh.
Search for EGR and VE. I've posted the info numerous times.
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Well after 2 years of that annoying yellow/orange light on on the dash it's finally GONE. Just installing a rear O2 sensor ( plugged in but not attached to the exhaust ) and plugging in a junk yard egr solenoid and whala.
You do mean 70-90% right? Wasting 9/10th of a gallon out the tailpipe seems ludicrous...
NO!
ICE are only 20-30% (current engines closer to 40%) efficient. This is correct.
The rest is wasted in heat from combustion (not unburnt fuel).
In terms of a ICE, efficiency is layed out in terms of how much of the energy from combustion process is used in actually forcing the piston down/spinning the crank/spinning the flywheel. So basically, from the combustion process, only 20-30% of the energy is actually harnessed and used in propulsion. The rest is absorbed in the metals casing (e.g cylinder bores, etc). Modern day engines are grossssly inefficient.
Interms of VE, yes, 70-90% is correct.
I will be looking into this as well for the EGR vs emissions/inspection issue.
Thanks for bringing this back up!!
Last edited by RalliartRsX; 06-07-2010 at 04:40 PM.
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