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Old 09-23-2004, 08:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What would cause O2 sensors to keep going bad?

1996 G20 105,500 miles.

This is the third to go bad in less than 3 years and this one has only been on the car for a few months.

1st one was factory Bosch original
2nd one was a Bosch OEM replacement
3rd one was a Borg/Warner OEM replacement

Or is it even the O2 sensor? ECU Code is 33 (0303)
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Old 09-23-2004, 08:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Was your gas mileage effected?
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Old 09-23-2004, 09:10 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Partilaly clogged cat raising the EGT's..... Is it wired right?
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Old 09-23-2004, 10:29 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Was your gas mileage effected?
It appears to have just starting getting worse over the past 2 weeks then the light came on today.

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Partilaly clogged cat raising the EGT's..... Is it wired right?
It's OEM wired so there is no splicing required. Both the Borg and the Bosch units are prewired. I wondered if my cat was possibly going.

What is the easiest way to test? Remove the cat and view the light through the grid?
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Old 09-24-2004, 11:55 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Do you use a sealant or lube when installing the sensor? This stuff can shorten the sensor's life if you go heavy with it and it manages to get on the sensor.
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Old 09-24-2004, 01:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
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It appears to have just starting getting worse over the past 2 weeks then the light came on today.
OK, I just wanted to check if the O2 sensor really was going bad. It sounds like it was.
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Old 09-24-2004, 06:44 PM   #7 (permalink)
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1996 G20 105,500 miles.

This is the third to go bad in less than 3 years and this one has only been on the car for a few months.

1st one was factory Bosch original
2nd one was a Bosch OEM replacement
3rd one was a Borg/Warner OEM replacement

Or is it even the O2 sensor? ECU Code is 33 (0303)

What's Up NISMO,


Can I aask what type of gas do you use on the regular ie, octane rating?
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Old 09-24-2004, 08:59 PM   #8 (permalink)
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OK, I just wanted to check if the O2 sensor really was going bad. It sounds like it was.
Well, let me rethink this. I just went 320 miles and refilled with 11 gallons. That comes out to 29 mpg. Hmm? Guess I had it good for a while. I was getting almost 400 a tank for about 1 month. My wife put 86 octane in the car and I got worried so I ran a can of octane booster in there. One can, that's all.

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Can I aask what type of gas do you use on the regular ie, octane rating?
I always run no less than 89 octane. I use to run 91+ all of the time when at 19 degrees, but with the gas prices recently going up I am at 17 degrees and 89 octane.

I reset the ECU and the car seems to run ok. We'll see if it triggers again.
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Old 09-24-2004, 09:00 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Do you use a sealant or lube when installing the sensor? This stuff can shorten the sensor's life if you go heavy with it and it manages to get on the sensor.
No way! Straight thread to thread. I've never used a sealant on an O2 sensor.
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Old 09-24-2004, 09:30 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I think running extremely rich will do it too.
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Old 09-27-2004, 08:28 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I think running extremely rich will do it too.
OK. Update to your statement of running rich. My G20 is a 96 and I read that the MAF sensor could cause the SR20 to run rich so...

I checked the MAF ground yesterday and it was at 11mv. I pulled the pin out, soldered on a new ground and bolted it to the intake plenum where the other ground wires are. It is now running at less than 2mv.

I had to do this on my '91 NX2000 several years back, but thought that Nissan would have fixed the problem by '96. Guess not.

We'll see if this helps. I can definately feel a difference in the smoothness of the engine and idle. No telling how long the sensor was reading such a high current on the ground.
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Old 09-28-2004, 01:03 AM   #12 (permalink)
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MAF grounding may solve the problem.

However, the rate at which you are going through the sensors is very ubnormal. Only thing that springs to mind is the heating of the sensor. If it is NOT heated properly then it will go bad. Maybe you should check the continuity and resistance or something of the heating cable/cirquit.

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Old 09-28-2004, 07:20 PM   #13 (permalink)
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MAF grounding may solve the problem.
Hope so. It did wonders on my '91 NX2000 that I owned several years back.

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Maybe you should check the continuity and resistance or something of the heating cable/cirquit.Chris
Guess I can pull out the good ol' FSM and start doing what you suggested. But I want to see if the ligth comes back on first. It has not since I reset the ECU and regrounded so we'll just wait and see. Thanks for the advice.
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Old 09-29-2004, 12:26 AM   #14 (permalink)
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At least try to set preiodically the ECU in Diagnostic Mode 2 and see how fast the O2 sensor "cycles"... You may not get a CEL if the sensor still operates while failing but you may get an idea it is IF it starts cycling more slowly...

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Old 09-29-2004, 12:45 AM   #15 (permalink)
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fouling the o2 sensor means your either running to rich, or its contaminated with another substance, like oil.
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Old 09-29-2004, 09:16 AM   #16 (permalink)
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What makes you think that he is "fouling the O2 sensor" ?

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Old 09-29-2004, 11:33 AM   #17 (permalink)
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However, the rate at which you are going through the sensors is very ubnormal. Only thing that springs to mind is the heating of the sensor. If it is NOT heated properly then it will go bad. Maybe you should check the continuity and resistance or something of the heating cable/cirquit.
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Old 09-29-2004, 03:17 PM   #19 (permalink)
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i had exhausts leaks and was running rich, my o2 sensor never went bad. I had an open downpipe for a month too. Are you SURE your o2 sensor is bad? It doesn't seem like it to me. Do you have any friends around you with se-r's that you can swap out? It sounds lke you may have a problem with your ECU reading your o2 sensor completely...
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i had exhausts leaks and was running rich, my o2 sensor never went bad. I had an open downpipe for a month too.
for just a month?
it's a fact a rich running car will foul the o2 faster than normal, not instantly, also the cat won't last too long running rich either.
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