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I ordered an SR20VE but I'm after that 197+ N1 horspower and 7800rpm redline!!
What are all the differences between the 1.6 and the 2.0? According to Andreas the 1.6 N1 cams will work in the 2.0 for a hp and redline increase but I wonder to what degree. Andreas also mentioned 1.6 N1 pistons would amount to 12:1 compression in the 2.0 (unstreetable for me)
Is this uncharted territory? I think this has been done by some (Andreas) but the results are undocumented?
I want an SR20VE with better than N1 power!!
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Originally posted by CNibbana I want an SR20VE with better than N1 power!!
Charles, I think just a simple SR16VE cam install with other common bolt ons ie: CAI, header, pullies etc. will get you well above the N1 power band and certainly a lot more torque. I think Andreas mention 218 hp with just the cams. FWIW, I'll be looking to install the SR16 cams once I get the engine running and tuned to my liking.
I wish I could say that I just ordered a VE! You guys are awesome for going into uncharted territory.
How much did you guys pay for your VEs?
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question: why is the S2000 touted as having the most HP/Liter than any other production engine in the world when the SR16VE N1 is making 123.13 HP/Liter, more than the 120 HP/liter of the K20? or is this for US only?
Originally posted by Shoes59
I think Andreas mention 218 hp with just the cams. FWIW, I'll be looking to install the SR16 cams once I get the engine running and tuned to my liking.
Andreas mentioned the same to me, but 218hp with just cams? I just have a tough time believing 30hp from just cams. I know it's a variable valve motor but still...
Andreas mentioned the same to me, but 218hp with just cams? I just have a tough time believing 30hp from just cams. I know it's a variable valve motor but still...
Regardless, we'll be knocking on the door of 200 whp when it's all said and done. This has always been my goal for the car in NA trim.
The N1 cams will not fit in the regular SR16VE and SR20VE.
If you have a hard time believing that the SR16VE cams will give 30 more HP then ask yourself this question where the hell did the HP come form betwwen the 2 SR16VE motors. The diffrence in HP is 24 HP. The diffrence in RPM between the 2 is 0 more RPM in relation to HP and 400 RPM in relation to torque. The N1 does have a 1/2 a point in compression over the regular SR16VE.
Now if you look at the Relationship between the SR20VE and SR16VE you will notice that there is a diffrence in relationship to HP which is 800 RPMs and torque which is 1600 RPMs. Now consider the diffrence between the SR16VE motors and now consider the diffrence between the SR16VE motor and the SR20VE motor. Well I will tell you. Take into concideration that you are moving a larger displacement motor the diffrence of those RPMs posted up above and you tell me if I am full of sh*t.
Now do you know that the new SR20VE motor for 2002 makes 19 more HP total 209 HP, which is due to a small cam change and a 5 HP header. Minus the header and you got a 14 HP increase and the cams are smaller than the SR16VE cams. Peak HP on the new motor is at 7200 RPMs so now consider everything I have told you and you think about it. Also you will notice the cams on the SR16VE motor are way bigger than what we call C3 cams that we have here when it come to duration. Also take into consideration the compression difrence between the VE motor and the DE motor and ask yourself how much HP do C3 cams make over a regulasr DE in the USA.
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I got some questions abut the sr1.6. I have a 1.6 in my car now and was wonder if instead of doing a sr20 swap to go with this sr1.6, could i ue my transmission? If not would i be able to get the tranny they come with?Are there any of these sr1.6's for sale? Did they come in a 5-speed in japan so there would be a ecu? Someone? anyone?
I don't mean to flame you by any means, but a lot of the questions that you guys are asking have been covered either previously here, or in the archives at www.se-r-list.org. Andreas is a pretty busy guy, and he might get pissed off if when he comes here people are asking him questions which he has already answered in previous threads. I will attempt to answer your questions.
Either the SR16VE or the SR16VE N1 can be stroked to 2.0 liters by using a stock crank. If ther is a 2.2 stroker kit availiable, it should fit.
The GA16DE transmission will not work with any SR series motor, period. When you buy a motor from an importer, it is usually possible to get a transmission from them. Although, it may be cheaper to get a domestic, ie SR20DE transmission instead. You will not want the SR20VE transmission, as it is a CVT transmission and it would be a bitch to get working right in our cars I would imagine. I am pretty sure the SR16VE comes with a manual, so it may be possible to get one. I know for a fact that the N1 comes with a sweet close ratio box, it would be nice to pick up, but I would expect to pay a premium.
Last edited by Lyn Labahn : 01-28-2002 at 01:24 PM.
Originally posted by Andreas Miko The N1 cams will not fit in the regular SR16VE and SR20VE.
If you have a hard time believing that the SR16VE cams will give 30 more HP then ask yourself this question where the hell did the HP come form betwwen the 2 SR16VE motors. The diffrence in HP is 24 HP. The diffrence in RPM between the 2 is 0 more RPM in relation to HP and 400 RPM in relation to torque. The N1 does have a 1/2 a point in compression over the regular SR16VE.
Are intake and exhaust manifolds from the N1 and the normal VE the same?
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Originally posted by Lyn Labahn Da91Nx and CNibbana,
I don't mean to flame you by any means, but a lot of the questions that you guys are asking have been covered either previously here, or in the archives at www.se-r-list.org.
No offense taken. I have checked the list, and trying to find useful information there is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Type in SR20VE and see what you get. Even SR20VE + "whatever" gets you some wild off the topic stuff.
We all greatly appreciate the info Andreas is providing. This works to Andreas's benefit too. With enough interest Andreas may start selling more engines and accessories - which I'm sure he won't mind at all.
Originally posted by osideracer im new here and i was wondering what the ve engines are from? are they jdm sunny engines? *** kinda confused on the subject.
um i dont know but if the ve engines fit in the 200sx, engine swap here i come whenever i do get the ride. i was unaware that there were better engines for the se-r from japan. so i take it the ve engines are like the jdm type-r engines for acura & honda? sounds like a sr20ve would whoop any b16 or b18c, the nissan engines have more torque. i wouldnt mind putting a ve in a 200sx and whoop some vtec ass!!!
dropping an SR20VE in a B13 or B14 is a lot like dropping a H22A into a civic coupe, fast as hell, and torquey enough to incinerate tires in the bottom 2 gears (i know this from personal experience from a SR20VE equipped B13).
the VVL motors come from Primeras and Pulsars and probably more cars that i am not aware of, check out
So what's the difference between the p11 and p12 ve? Is it worth waiting until the 200 hp becomes more common? Asking the ser list the question is like talking to a wall. can anybody get a translation from the japanese page at http://www.nissan.co.jp/PRIMERA/P12/...ISM/index.html
