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Old 01-27-2002, 11:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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head swap

I was curious if it is possible to just do a VE head swap on to an existing sr20block. My friend did a B16 head swap on his integra LS motor and then got a vtec controller to handle the cam switch and it runs pretty strong. What would be the advantages or disadvantages of something like this (assuming its even possible)?

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Old 01-28-2002, 12:13 AM   #2 (permalink)
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not possible, the US sr20 has a 53j head, head VE uses a different one. plus i believe the pistons are different on the VE
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Old 01-28-2002, 06:44 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Bad Info guy. The head itself will bolt on but there is a oil passage that needs to be drilled on a DE block to make the whole thing work. I would like to see you get one off these heads with cams and complete intake with injs. That by it self is a task. If you are going to do this you might as well get the VE motor. The head gasket you will have to get out of JApan as it is slightly diffrent to the DE one.

As far as heads go you can put a head from a low port 94J on a highport 53J or you can use a 53C head GTIR on any off these blocks with just a little work. All these heads will work on all the blocks. 58Y SR18DE HP, 94Y SR20DE LP, 53J SR20DE HP, 53C GTIR SR20DE, 89J SR20DE LP form the UK, 89 J SR20DE HP from the UK, 64J SR20DE LP SR18DE.

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Old 01-28-2002, 02:46 PM   #4 (permalink)
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so heres my dilema then... I have a perfectly good strong running motor with 125,000miles that just put down 135hp at the wheels without cams or ecu. But all this VE talk has really got me wanting one. By the time i spent the money on cams and ecu im already half way to the VE swap. Any suggestions? What is the cost of the VE installed and running and what kind of dyno numbers have they been putting down? thanks

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Old 01-28-2002, 02:52 PM   #5 (permalink)
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As far as I know, no one has dynoed a VE yet. The cost of entry for the swap is going to be a minimum of around $3000 bucks. Although that could change once the swap becomes common place and prices the block and other items goes down.
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Old 01-28-2002, 07:11 PM   #6 (permalink)
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hmmm, my bad, i sincerely though it was different. bite me can't exactly remember, but i thought it was you andreas, that told me that.
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Old 01-28-2002, 08:16 PM   #7 (permalink)
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The cost of entry for the swap is going to be a minimum of around $3000 bucks. Although that could change once the swap becomes common place and prices the block and other items goes down.
Also, you could sell your perfectly good engine and get some money back from the ordeal...
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Old 01-28-2002, 09:42 PM   #8 (permalink)
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sell my old stuff

thats a good point. I have seen the hotshot headers alone going for like $350. Plus i could prolly get another $400 for the motor. Its definitely worth checking out.

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Old 01-29-2002, 09:32 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Old 01-29-2002, 07:27 PM   #10 (permalink)
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He is a good friend of mine Shoes59, but if it makes you happy then I'll delete the post.
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Old 01-29-2002, 08:04 PM   #11 (permalink)
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He is a good friend of mine Shoes59, but if it makes you happy then I'll delete the post.
No need to delete the post. I just want to keep the VE section free of senseless bickering and focus on the technical aspects of the swap so those considering it have a good foundation of information.
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Old 01-29-2002, 08:16 PM   #12 (permalink)
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When do you think the VE "bugs" and "trials and tribulations" be worked out? Also, does anyone know if that motor will fit into a 200sx Se-r chassis? I ask this because it seems like everything that I have seen is that this motor has been in Classic Se-r's.

Again, does anyone know what will work without a doubt off of a Sr20de to a VE? I just want a simple list put together because it is getting kind of hard to decipher what will and won't work with the VE. Thanks is advance.
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Old 01-29-2002, 08:28 PM   #13 (permalink)
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When do you think the VE "bugs" and "trials and tribulations" be worked out? Also, does anyone know if that motor will fit into a 200sx Se-r chassis? I ask this because it seems like everything that I have seen is that this motor has been in Classic Se-r's.

Again, does anyone know what will work without a doubt off of a Sr20de to a VE? I just want a simple list put together because it is getting kind of hard to decipher what will and won't work with the VE. Thanks is advance.
It'll bolt right in to a 200. Use a JWT, VE programmed ECU and stock wire harness. Use your stock tranny. Use your CAI with a little fab work. UR pullies should bolt right up.
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Old 01-29-2002, 10:23 PM   #14 (permalink)
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extra wires

are there any extra wires for the VVL? When my friend did the vtec swap into his civic he had to get a vtec controller and run some extra wires.

As for peanuthead, he was just talking trash to me personally... not trying to start another debate. We've already seen where that goes.

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Old 01-30-2002, 03:33 AM   #15 (permalink)
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i *believe* you are gonna need to run extra wires to actuate the V-V-T selinoids. you can hack into your stock wiring harness to do this. i myself am not 100% sure on how exactly you go about this, but maybe andreas or JWT can help you. you could also try calling chris at sr20development. try JWT first though, cause chris is awful busy.
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Re: extra wires

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are there any extra wires for the VVL? When my friend did the vtec swap into his civic he had to get a vtec controller and run some extra wires.
The JWT ECU will have 2 wires coming out of it that go to the VVL solenoids.
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