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What do you think of a VE vs. DET for a combo of street driving and driving school use? I have been told that a turbo is not ideally suited for road course driving. The cost of a built VE would be similar to a well-done DET install. My car is a 98 SE so it weighs more then a classic. If you look at an Acura RSX type S it comes close to the weight and horsepower of a VE in my SE. I drove a RSX type S and would not be willing to spend thousands to get that level of power in my car. Is my thinking way off here?
"Sometimes you have to crawl ** you walk either way you still gonna spend money, "
This isn't about the money. I am really asking about putting the power down in a road course situation. Also, Let me just say that my to do list does include a quafe (spelling?) in the future. Does anyone want to comment on what there turbo car is like on a road course.
me, personally, I'll do the Sr20VE first. I'll try NA to see if i'm satisfied, and if worse comes to worse and i want more power, i think there's a SR20VET in japan so lowering the compression ratio and change the cams a little and it'll be @ about 280HP in no time. both engine has it's own potential, I think it's more of personal choice than anything else. The above is my plan. Anyone know of a 200SX SE-R w/ a blown engine for cheap? need a project car... thanks.
The reason I would like to go with a VE is just drivability and reliability.
__________________ Sam Bass / 1998 200SX SE-R
Atlanta, Georgia
Mods: JWT POP Filter, 91 Intake Cam, Stillen 4-1 Header, N1-style muffler, Front and rear STBs, Motivational Rear Strut Mounts, Hyperco/AGX's, ES Front & Rear Motor Mounts, ES Shifter Bushing, Pacesetter Quickshifter | In the works: AD22 Brakes
Well, Naji Dahi, official hater of turbo, recently drove terrin chan's BB T25 turbo on a 9.5:1 DE, and even with 2" exhaust, the top mount interheater and 6.5 psi(give terrin a break, he is a starving student, he will convert it to FM this weekend) he loved it, and this is NAJI we are talking about here too, official hater of all things new :p. it was also commented by shaggy (chris allen) that terrin's car would in fact beat amber's VE in an NX2K. not to knock on the VE, i personally LOVE this motor, it is a great motor, and makes for a very fast NA car, but turbo is not that bad either. i guess it comes down to personal preference, turbo will be faster, even on a road course, but VE will be more reliable, especially on a road course. also, the VE will be much more friendly to our fragile transmissions. not to mention tires.
turbo is also less sleeper on the street, no one will race terrin as you can hear that turbo working over the engine, he cannot get a Mustang to go, despite antagonizing them.
plus, there is the novelty of driving a 13 second all motor car that is very tame when just cruising.
i personally was going to go with the SR20VE until my tax return ended up less than half of what it was supposed to be (won a 57" 16:9 HDTV, which was seen as taxable income, which bumped me into the next tax bracket, which, being single, wasn't too friendly)
the VE will still be easier to drive around a road course, and i can STRONGLY recommend either choice. it all comes down to personal finance and preference.
I like my car but miss the feel of all motor. I have been keeping a look out in here. Has anyone got there motor in by know. I am getting excited to see what everyone thinks and runs at the track
Jim (Shoes59) wil begin installing his VE nect weekend. I will be another 2-3 weeks on mine while waiting on the ECU from JWT, my manifold back from ExtrudeHone, and getting everything Jet Hot coated.
Personally, I went with the SR20VE because I am going for the sleeper theme. I am trying to make the car look as stock as possible so I can antagonize more people into racing. That's also why I am keeping the stock exhaust manifold and I cut off my Greddy exhaust tip. Now I'm trying to out how to wrap the stock rubber hoses around a CAI and cut holes in the stock airbox and run it through so it kinda looks stock.
Yeah, I'm going kinda overboard with the sleeper theme but the more people I can fool the better.
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Chuck Nibbana
Retired VE owner
Forever an SE-R owner at heart
2005 BMW M3
Originally posted by CNibbana Jim (Shoes59) wil begin installing his VE nect weekend. I will be another 2-3 weeks on mine while waiting on the ECU from JWT, my manifold back from ExtrudeHone, and getting everything Jet Hot coated.
Personally, I went with the SR20VE because I am going for the sleeper theme. I am trying to make the car look as stock as possible so I can antagonize more people into racing. That's also why I am keeping the stock exhaust manifold and I cut off my Greddy exhaust tip. Now I'm trying to out how to wrap the stock rubber hoses around a CAI and cut holes in the stock airbox and run it through so it kinda looks stock.
Yeah, I'm going kinda overboard with the sleeper theme but the more people I can fool the better.
I would love to be in the car when some fool in a civic thinks he can beat you........hahahahahaha
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Originally posted by 98SERwTricks
The reason I would like to go with a VE is just drivability and reliability.
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Everyone keeps saying that the DET is not reliable. I have no personal experience with it and that is why I posted. My thoughts are that it to is a factory certified engine. Wouldn't it be as reliable if you didn’t turn the boost up to push it beyond its limits? Sure I know lots of people can damage a turbo engine but that is mostly because of the “dial a boom (opps) boast” syndrome. 8 pounds of boost, FMIC, proper radiator, etc, wouldn’t that be reliable, even on the track. I do know that turbo's are not a lifetime item on a car, they wear out in 75-125K that is not a big concern. Is that what people are saying when they mention reliability? What am I missing?
I would probably prefer to go the turbo route, but it would depend on the type of racing I was doing. If I was autocrossing, I would go VE. There is no room for turbo lag and a well built VE with higher compression etc. will outperform a DET in that form of racing. Now, open track you have two scenarios. Since you will live higher in the rev band you could go DET and live with mild turbo lag since you'll pretty much always have the engine on the boil. Or, you could run the VE and use N2O for the straights. As far as reliability, a mildly boosted engine is always going to live longer than an over revving high compression N/A engine. Notice I said mildly, not 25psi.
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'91 Civic Si - Autocross/Track bitch
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As of right now I am leaning turbo because of the relative ease and cost / hp gain. I'm definately an all-motor kinda guy, though. I am still very concerned about overheating problems on a track though. The SR cooling isn't well praised stock, add in a big ol air compressor, a FMIC partially blocking the radiator, and I get nervous. I'd feel obligated to purchase a water injection system just for open track days to feel safe. That's why I'm eyeing this forum so closely...
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Matt
97 SE-R - Daily driver - winter beater - autox - track slut - drag car - summer cruiser
First touched the keys @ 16 miles, now 150,000+
Boosted as of 11/15/05
"Youth is fleeting, but immaturity can last forever."
as far as reliability with the turbo, i was actually talking about maintenance intervals and stuff around the motor breaking, like tranny, tires, clutch, etc...
and with the turbo, it is a near necesity to be absolutely RELIGIOUS with maintenance. i would recommend changing the oild at least every 3,000 miles with a good synthetic, if not every month.
Originally posted by HotshtSR20 as far as reliability with the turbo, i was actually talking about maintenance intervals and stuff around the motor breaking, like tranny, tires, clutch, etc...
and with the turbo, it is a near necesity to be absolutely RELIGIOUS with maintenance. i would recommend changing the oild at least every 3,000 miles with a good synthetic, if not every month.
Stuff I do anyways with a bolt on SR20. As far as cooling problems, you'd have to be insane to decide to boost your SR20 and not upgrade the radiator. I've heard horror stories about B13 and B14 cooling systems but they seem to have addressed the problem with the B15. I've never had a problem at all of my autocross or time trial events.
thanks.
