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i've been pondering the idea of swapping a vvl head on my 01 se w/pp. the only thing holding me back is my 6800 rpm rev limiter. ijust want to get some feedback on what i should do?
i hear the new e-manage ultimate can raise it, but i dont have any facts.
i also was looking into getting a harness adapter made to run a b13 or b14 ecu, which would be alot cheaper if it would work. however, my car has the immobilizer system and im not sure if this would be a problem or not?
also what all will i need to modify on my harnness? i've read that the injectors harness plugs into the ve injectors i think? but what else will need to know?
as for the actual setup im considering....
sr16ve head preferribly, i already have arp head studs and a cometic 1.1mm headgasket on the car. would the gasket be to thin to run with 16ve cams and my 9.8:1 pistons? if not it should yeild around 11:1 comp and use the msd switches to activate the cams. i also have a aem cai/ssac header/ur crank/wp, hks catback in the car. this would be the intial setup to get it running and then later whatever i decide.
please let me know all your thoughts and opinions.
bump because i'm interested too, but i do have concerns for the obd2 (i planned on doing the harness swap though), but i am unsure if it will work. plus does anyone know the rev limit for the 4cw crank is?
also, with the oil line set-up using the 16ve head swap, would there be any oil pressure issues?
would e-manage ultimate be my best fit, or a jwt b14 ecu w/repin and some type of afc to compensate for fine tuning? would i need a fpr?
if anyone has any input that would be great, cause i plan on having the motor purchased and shipped by the end of january, and having more concrete plans would make it easier to get the project started, and done correctly.
^^yeah, also would you be able to use the UR crank pulley on the ve head swap since the block is also from the DE? would i just be better off using the stanza pulley? anyone know how much that thing weighs though?? does it have the damper?
I kinda of already have the answer living in South FLA with all the SR20 dudes in the area, im just sure the gurus can help out a lot more.
VVL head + Standalone = The bomb
hey Domiken - since no gurus ever chime in on the b15 ve posts anymore, how bout you tell me what the setup is running around in sofla like is it in a b15/p11 rr or just a head swap on an older sr20 chassis? tia
Well everyone just has a VE swap (P10, B13, NX etc...) IMO it wouldnt be worth the pain in the ass you have to go through to swap the heads, you are better off buying a VE motor.
$1500 (VE motor)
$1000 (SR16 motor)...change crank etc..
SR20VE head ($700-$800) and who knows their condition.... plus it doesnt just slap on, some drilling of oil etc... needs to be done which will most likely require you to pull the motor out of the car anyway. So like I said, cost effective wise we know the VE is better than the RR DE (not just the head) even better with their similarities.
If you are looking at cost effectiveness and longetivity I would say go for the 'purchasing' a VE motor and swapping it in. That what ill eventually do with my daily P11 in a year or so as it will be over the 120k mark.
i feel its more cost effective to just do the head in my case. its also much easier to swap a head than a whole motor, as i've already experienced both with my b15. plus the motor i have in there now only has under 6k miles on it, so i'd like to keep the block.
my main concern is what kind of engine management to use. i really dont want to go full standalone for just a mild street setup, 180-200whp would be my expectations and goal. i'd consider an e-mangae setup. but if i could get away with just doin the harness adapter to run a b13 ecu and then maybe do a daughterboard upgrade down the road or save up for JWT.
see im not good with electrical sh*t, nor do i want to hack up my harness what so ever, so this is my main hurdle.
see i dont understand the whole swap over to b14 harness and repin deal. what exactly is repinned/cut up? just the plugs for the ecu and misc sensors and what not? do u swap over to the whole b13/14 harness or just use parts of it?
this is the only part of owning a b15 i hate. i mean i could swap everything in and run it, but then when vvl engages BAM ba ba ba babaaa rev limter at 6850rpm.
so any and all help would be very much appreciated
e-Manage Ultimate it states rev limiter cut feature, so this looks promising. also if i buy a wide band o2 sensor, it has a base map feature in which you pick the desired a/f ratio and tune from there.
however, thats roughly $1200 in parts and then being installed and getting tuned properly.
Last edited by Ricer_X_01 : 12-29-2005 at 07:34 AM.
i feel its more cost effective to just do the head in my case. its also much easier to swap a head than a whole motor, as i've already experienced both with my b15. plus the motor i have in there now only has under 6k miles on it, so i'd like to keep the block.
my main concern is what kind of engine management to use. i really dont want to go full standalone for just a mild street setup, 180-200whp would be my expectations and goal. i'd consider an e-mangae setup. but if i could get away with just doin the harness adapter to run a b13 ecu and then maybe do a daughterboard upgrade down the road or save up for JWT.
see im not good with electrical sh*t, nor do i want to hack up my harness what so ever, so this is my main hurdle.
see i dont understand the whole swap over to b14 harness and repin deal. what exactly is repinned/cut up? just the plugs for the ecu and misc sensors and what not? do u swap over to the whole b13/14 harness or just use parts of it?
this is the only part of owning a b15 i hate. i mean i could swap everything in and run it, but then when vvl engages BAM ba ba ba babaaa rev limter at 6850rpm.
so any and all help would be very much appreciated
thanx again,
Jim
OK, What you really need to do is make, or have someone else make, an ECU adaptor. There is a fantastic writeup on http://www.roastedpavement.com/forum/. The owner would probably make one for you for a fair price.
Basically, you need to get a b13 ECU, and harness plug. It doesnt matter which one I dont think, because it just has to be OBD1. You then get both FSMs and wire together a harness plug and an ECU connector, back to back. You wire it so it will adapt a b13 ECU onto your B15 harness. You then plug the adaptor into your harness, and the b13 ECU onto the adaptor. BAM, you hit 8000 RPMs
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e-Manage Ultimate it states rev limiter cut feature, so this looks promising. also if i buy a wide band o2 sensor, it has a base map feature in which you pick the desired a/f ratio and tune from there.
however, thats roughly $1200 in parts and then being installed and getting tuned properly.
Installing and tuning would be a HUGE pain in the ass.
thats the idea i have, i've even contacted a person on here to make it for me, but...... im skeptical as if it will actually work. my car came with a immobilizer(sp?) feature with the chip in the key. now this may be a problem, may not. i just dont wanna spend like $200-400 on an adapter, parts, and depending on ecu (16ve/Calum ecu) and find out it doesnt.
im skeptical ***, if it were this easy to do this, how's come nobody else with b15's have considered this? they have to be smarter than me
Last edited by Ricer_X_01 : 12-29-2005 at 07:45 AM.
did you install your e-manage? if so, how difficult was it for you? and how did you get it tuned?
Yes I installed it, I have some good info in the technical info library. I find that tuning the emanage is a huge pain in the ass in my car. I have spent hours street tuning and doing highway pulls. It simply does not ever seem quite right. I have heard the ECU self learns, but I do not know if it is true, or if that is the problem I have.
Anyway, I think it is more trouble than some people may think. I dont mind it on my car, but some may not get the results they expect.
like is it in a b15/p11 rr or just a head swap on an older sr20 chassis? tia
