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Everyone complained about how there were no cams for the VE, and now there are a set being produced by Franklin. Why aren't people kissing their feet and ordering up a set of "extremes"?
Because people in the Nissan community are scared to spend money and experiment.
I will not say that. Some of us are no scared to spend alot of money. We just need some "SOLID" proof/info of power gains from them. We all know there has yet to be some solid proof that these cam produce power.
If they are proven then I know alot of people will purchase them.
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Originally Posted by Taiden
Everyone complained about how there were no cams for the VE, and now there are a set being produced by Franklin.
Bunch of wimps with not guts. Some people on this forum are happy with where they are but most people are just lazy or scared. But part of the problem lies in Question #2
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Originally Posted by Taiden
Why aren't people kissing their feet and ordering up a set of "extremes"?
Because some people on this forum are smart and noticed that Franklin did no real testing on these cams. They just slapped together something that should work based on the head they had (or so the rumor goes). In the end then never really tested all the cams in a running engine (or so the rumor goes). It's no rumor that they never did a dyno themselves which really makes smart people wonder "how the hell did they come up with the design". Some people are just waiting for JWT to make the cams simply because we know they will actually dyno test the design and know they have a good design.
Two questions, two answers, you won't like any of them.
Bunch of wimps with not guts. Some people on this forum are happy with where they are but most people are just lazy or scared. But part of the problem lies in Question #2
Because some people on this forum are smart and noticed that Franklin did no real testing on these cams. They just slapped together something that should work based on the head they had (or so the rumor goes). In the end then never really tested all the cams in a running engine (or so the rumor goes). It's no rumor that they never did a dyno themselves which really makes smart people wonder "how the hell did they come up with the design". Some people are just waiting for JWT to make the cams simply because we know they will actually dyno test the design and know they have a good design.
Told you that you wouldn't like the answer.
Actually, I really liked the answer. Answered everything I really wanted to know about why people weren't using them.
VE motor
N1 cams
N1 intake manifold
70mm TB
JWT valve spring and titainium retainers
Hotshot cold air intake
VE MAF
Fujitsubo Header
3in Apex-i N1 exhaust
test pipe
JWT ECU
MSD VVL activation
Nismo FPR
tranny is cryo-treated and shot-peened with a welded case
10lbs UR flywheel
ACT street disc w/ HD PP.
ES motor mounts
ES Hyper-flex suspension
Eibach sportline with Tokico blues
I should charge all you guys to see my dyno results since i did pony up and buy a set of these. R&D aint free bishes.
seriously though, they could have sold a lot more if they just showed a nice before and after dyno. It was partly their fault on poor advertising. And partly because nobody here wants to pony up some cash and take a chance. Plus, with the kind of duration those cams have you will probably need to rev the thing really high which is intimidating.
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Last edited by sr20sleeper : 07-08-2006 at 04:57 PM.
VE motor
N1 cams
N1 intake manifold
70mm TB
JWT valve spring and titainium retainers
Hotshot cold air intake
VE MAF
Fujitsubo Header
3in Apex-i N1 exhaust
test pipe
JWT ECU
MSD VVL activation
Nismo FPR
tranny is cryo-treated and shot-peened with a welded case
10lbs UR flywheel
ACT street disc w/ HD PP.
ES motor mounts
ES Hyper-flex suspension
Eibach sportline with Tokico blues
Opps, JWT Valve springs. Having just one work real good.
The last time I dyno'ed it, I did not have:
N1 manifold
70mm TB
test pipe
3in exhaust
I had a 2.25in exhaust and pulled 189.3 hp @ 7200rpms-7800rpms where we let off. Have not had a chance to dyno with the new mods. The manifold and exhaust helped out quite a bit. On street tires here, I spin all the way till half of third gear. So I just roll around on drag radials everyday. I think the roads over here just SUCK though.
I'm going to order some valve springs for my motor too soon. I'm getting a custom cam job done by webcam. At 1st I told them not too wild but now I'll tell them to give me something better than N1's.
Ah you guys are hard case. Of course Franklin did r&d, Adrian showed me how they designed the cams and it's really quite a fascinating method. As for the duration meaning you'll have to rev the guts off your motor? Well DUH, that's common sense really (or so I'd have thought), any cam larger than the factory one is going to raise the power band. As for these cams not making any more power than the N1 cams... Found another reason why I didn't make any extra power with the Franklin cams... My speed cut somehow managed to sneak back in there while we were tuning it (we have to remove it everytime we write a new program for the chips and we must have forgotten at some point). Here's a piece of interesting info... Peak power (of 204hp) was developed at 7611rpm which is 178kph in 3rd gear (high gears I know) which is juuuust before my 180k speed cut... You said they should peak over 8000rpm, well yeah... they do... haha.
Just a bit of fuel for the fire for you guys. After driving with these cams in the car after driving with N1s I wouldn't look back, N1's are so last year =P
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