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Old 10-24-2006, 02:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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VE Head Swap With Motor Still In Car...

Someone said it's possible but it would be hard..
what kind of problems/difficulties would I run into?
I read through a bunchh of Ve threads but could not find my answers


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Old 10-24-2006, 02:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
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looks like more work than you would want to do... cant help you with details but i recommend you search outside of the ve section... try a search in the general and the tech sections... a head swap for a ve is almost the same as for a de
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
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You could do it in the car btu just be prepared for it to take longer because of you having to work around everything in the engine bay.
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:53 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I've changed a head gasket with the motor still in the car... not the easiest thing to do. I'm pretty sure I spent more time on getting the IM on/off than anything else. You also have to be very creative with getting the head off the block with the cam gears securely zip tied to the chain... not as easy as it seems.

The biggest obsticle in this swap would be just the oil line from the block to the head for the cam activation... doing it while the motor is in the car would require you to think ahead.
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:05 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Yeah it seems as though the oil line from the head to the block is looking like the biggest concern


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Old 10-24-2006, 03:16 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Yeah it seems as though the oil line from the head to the block is looking like the biggest concern
But people do turbo installs with the engine in the bay all the time and have to run the same oil line under the engine opposed to the back of the head, so that would still be the least of my concern.

The question is, how long would it take to pull the motor versus how much extra time/hassle would it be to do it in the bay? That question would help you better weigh out your options. I am having the same debate with myself as I am not sure what to do. So far I am heavily swinging towards pulling the motor. I just dont want to deal with having to get behind the motor with it in the car, it can be done but I dont want to.
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:16 PM   #7 (permalink)
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well i think that putting timing cover bakc on would be a pain... thats just from what i moticed withth engine outside of the car..
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:23 PM   #8 (permalink)
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well i think that putting timing cover bakc on would be a pain... thats just from what i moticed withth engine outside of the car..
Agreed if you are taking it off. It would be almost impossible to change the oil pump without pulling the motor since you need to take the upper oil pan off.
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:31 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Anybody out there actually did this?
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Old 10-24-2006, 04:21 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I'm pretty sure the safe answer here is no. There are only a small handful of people that have done this (at least on this forum) and I'm fairly sure it was with the motor out of the car.

I vote for pulling the motor to do this though... if you want to verify that the timing chain is on correct, it would be damn hard to do that with the block still in the car.
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Old 10-24-2006, 04:28 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I think your right..
Let me stop trying to be a hero and just do it the way everyone else did..


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Old 10-24-2006, 04:32 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I'm pulling my motor this winter and it has something to do with the VE head that is arriving today .
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Old 10-24-2006, 05:19 PM   #13 (permalink)
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If I dont do it by the time your finished..Let me know the level of difficulty lol
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Old 10-25-2006, 01:40 AM   #14 (permalink)
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It can be done just like a HG change...
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Old 10-25-2006, 01:46 AM   #15 (permalink)
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agreed... it can be done, but after doing both that and pulling a motor. I'd choose to pull the motor when I do this again.

By pulling the motor it also gives me a good time to inspect the clutch/PP and do some general maintance on the motor.
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Old 10-25-2006, 01:46 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I have done this many times. I would recommend:

Replacing the head- Leave the block in the car.

Replacing the head and timing chain cover- Pull the engine.
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Old 10-25-2006, 01:05 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I have done this many times. I would recommend:

Replacing the head- Leave the block in the car.

Replacing the head and timing chain cover- Pull the engine.
anybody else who've done this many times agree with this?


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Old 10-25-2006, 01:08 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Old 10-25-2006, 01:39 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I would and will do it with the engine in the car. It's just a regular head swap. Just prep the head before you install it (drill for the oil line etc.) You can attach the line to the head before you install the head, and just make sure its out of the way. Then once the head is bolted on, you just hook up the line to the oil pressure gauge fitting. It's not as clean or "fun" as doing it on an engine stand, but it's doable.
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