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Old 11-08-2006, 08:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Can VVL Solenoids Be bad...

I let the car idle, and ground one of the leads going to the solenoid and then put 12 volts to the other lead and the solenoid will click but the cars idle doesn't change.... I did this with both solenoids and they both make a faint click but the idle is uneffected. I am assuming that if the car was idling on the higher cam it would be pretty noticable. Is there a way to test the solenoids, or fix them if they are stuck? If they are bad is it possible to get replacements?
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Old 11-08-2006, 08:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I let the car idle, and ground one of the leads going to the solenoid and then put 12 volts to the other lead and the solenoid will click but the cars idle doesn't change.... I did this with both solenoids and they both make a faint click but the idle is uneffected. I am assuming that if the car was idling on the higher cam it would be pretty noticable. Is there a way to test the solenoids, or fix them if they are stuck? If they are bad is it possible to get replacements?
VVL is activated by a combination of oil pressure and 12V.
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Old 11-08-2006, 08:58 PM   #3 (permalink)
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How should I go about testing the soenoids then?
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Old 11-08-2006, 09:02 PM   #4 (permalink)
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How should I go about testing the soenoids then?
If you hear a "click" when you put 12V to it... then it is fine. But the sure way to know is to get in the car and drive it... listen for the exhaust tone change
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Old 11-08-2006, 09:06 PM   #5 (permalink)
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If you put 12 volts to the solinoids and the solinoids "click", then the solinoids are fine. As Se-rawkus says above, it is a combination of oil pressure and voltage triggering. You may not develop enough oil pressure at idle to activate the rocker arm and if not, your idle would not be affected.
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Old 11-08-2006, 09:39 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I think they are working now but the car doesn't feel very fast. I would get smoked by the 1998 civic with a stock b16a I have been driving around. Would a stock ECU make that big of a difference vs a chipped one or an SAFC?
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Old 11-08-2006, 09:52 PM   #7 (permalink)
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pull the vvl soleniods off the head. when you look inside, there is a plastick allen plug, this is the oil filter for the vvl solenoids. this does get blocked with debris, and the outcome is a "weak" cam activation or intermittent activation. try taking a look into this. ive seen two motors that didnt run well because of this. after cleaning the filters.. they ran way better. becareful when using an allen key to remove the plug for it is plastic and can round out easy.
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Old 11-08-2006, 10:11 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I advanced the timing to 17 Degrees. It was way retarded, now the car feels alot better, but the seat of the pants dyno doesn't feel like 180 WHP like I was expecting. I will look at the VVL solenoid filter things.
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Old 11-08-2006, 11:14 PM   #9 (permalink)
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pic of the oil filter for solenoids please
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Old 11-09-2006, 05:10 AM   #10 (permalink)
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try to give 12volt at idles and then try to rev just a little bit. when revs will return to idle, you will hear everything, I`m sure
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Old 11-09-2006, 01:46 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I advanced the timing to 17 Degrees. It was way retarded, now the car feels alot better, but the seat of the pants dyno doesn't feel like 180 WHP like I was expecting. I will look at the VVL solenoid filter things.
what ecu/maf/injector combo are you using?
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Old 11-09-2006, 02:53 PM   #12 (permalink)
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VE Injectors, DE MAF, DE ECU.

My Calum ECU will be here tomorow. It feels much better after I advanced the timing, I am hoping that the Calum ECU will make it feel even better still.
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Old 11-09-2006, 06:25 PM   #13 (permalink)
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VE Injectors, DE MAF, DE ECU.

My Calum ECU will be here tomorow. It feels much better after I advanced the timing, I am hoping that the Calum ECU will make it feel even better still.
the VE loves a lot of timing. 17* timing is way too conservative! with the stock b14 ecu/maf you can go to at least 22* base timing, on 92 octane fuel.
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Old 11-09-2006, 09:15 PM   #14 (permalink)
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here is how to get to the filter i was talking about...

first remove the vvl solenoids by removing the bolts..






then use an allen key to remove the plastic filter. becareful not to fu*k it up..






clean filter if needed, and reinstall.
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Old 11-09-2006, 09:31 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Old 11-09-2006, 11:09 PM   #16 (permalink)
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LAnce, why is there a groove between those passages. Did you do that for a reason..?

btw what size allen did you use?
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Old 11-09-2006, 11:26 PM   #17 (permalink)
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LAnce, why is there a groove between those passages. Did you do that for a reason..?

btw what size allen did you use?
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Old 11-09-2006, 11:27 PM   #18 (permalink)
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well if your all doing it im doing it too lol
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Old 11-09-2006, 11:35 PM   #19 (permalink)
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haha its cool, I'll figure it out...sneaky bastards
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Old 11-09-2006, 11:36 PM   #20 (permalink)
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well if your all doing it im doing it too lol
I'm just kidding man... don't do it.

I honestly don't know why there is a groove there... Lance, explain this phenomenon
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