ihateloops

is a ve engine really worth the purchase with the minimal amount of torque they produce? in the faq it says that a sr16ve has 173hp and 119 tq. thats pathetic. doesnt the sr20de have more torque than that thing? sure the ve has more horsepower, but as ive learned, torque is quite an important thing.

 

CNibbana

It's really a matter of preference. Personally I wouldn't want an SR16VE unless I was going to install the 2.0 crank, rods and pistons to get the cam advantage coupled with the displacement.

Similarly, the same thing can be said for the SR20VE vs. the SR20DET Bluebird which have 187hp and 205hp respectively. With some bolt ons an SR20VE may have similar hp levels as the DET but the torque advantage will still be tremendous at 201lb torque for the SR20DET vs. 145lb torque for the SR20VE.

In this thread on the Integra Type-R forum you can see that a totally built car is "only" making 169hp and 120lb torque on the dyno whereas in this thread in our own forum you can see that Chris Allen's girlfriend Amber is making 177hp and 143lb torque with less overall mods. You can even check out Amber's dyno printout here.

With the SR16VE cams installed into the SR20VE predictions of 12-18hp are believed to be gained with a minimal loss of torque. I personally don't know anyone who has done this yet but I'm sure someone will pretty soon.

SR20VE = the normally aspirated king!

__________________
Chuck Nibbana
Retired VE owner
Forever an SE-R owner at heart
2005 BMW M3

sr20sleeper

also, with the proper gearing for that motor you will put a lot of torque to the ground. The fact that you can rev over 8000rpm and still make decent torque at that rpm will make that car quick. But it wont throw you in your seat like a turbo will. Go drive a civic SI with a B16 and that is probably what this motor will feel like. Except our cars are little lighter and this motor is a little better.

nathan

__________________
Everything must go... im retiring for a while.

98sr20ve

That will be me in about a month (Laughing is allowed becuase this is probably just the start date). Andreas is building a SR16VE into a SR20VE. It's interesting to know that my engine will have valve reliefs to clear this cam so this cam may not fit a stock sr20ve. This engine should make peak power at 7800 rpm and rev to 8200rpm. A standard VE is 7200 rpm and a DET is 6500 or so (not really sure on the peak power point). As far as HP/TQ keep in mind that my VE (for discussion sake) will rev to 8000rpm (it should be more but JWT won't let me) were the DET will shift at about 7000rpm -7200rpm. In first gear I have an extra 1000rpm of usable power. As a result of this I get more mechanical advantage out of my first gear then a DET does because I can stay in that gear longer. A transmission is basically a torque multiplier. That is the advantage of a higher redline.
Lets be clear I am NOT saying that a VE is better then a DET. Each has it's advantages.

Steve

skyliner

Well there should be at least two of those motors around, if I have my way. I don't know if Steve is first in line for this motor or me. Andreas said he had 2 Sr16's, but I understand he's trying to get some 'issues' worked out. I'd almost wouldn't mind trying a SR20 with aftermarket cams, .....yum. Supposedly our ECUs won't read over 8000rpms.....er ..... I think I remember reading that some where.
Travis

Shoes59

I've spent countless hours on Japanese web sites looking for aftermarket cams to no avail. There are headers and ECU's at www.Impul.co.jp but I can't find any cams.

__________________
Jim Schumacher
My 240

98sr20ve

The head gaskets should be here in the next week or two. That is the only thing holding up those two engines. The head gaskets are coming to my house first and then I am sending them to Andreas. The "issues" were probably the pistons and those valve reliefs. That is all taken care of now. I have decided to be happy with 8000 rpm. It's only 200rpm short of what I would have picked. B.T.W. JWT C3 peak at a lower RPM then these cams. Plus we wont be losing our bottom end.

Steve

CNibbana

Can you sell one to me?

98sr20ve

I am sorry. They are both spoken for but I will check to make sure. I ordered these from Brian at Courtesy Nissan. I will making another order soon. Do you want to get in on that order? The more we order the less it will cost on shipping.

Steve

Soupaflie

You must be kidding. That is far from a built type R, it has a drop in filter, decent header, Comptech Ice box (glorified factory airbox), highflow cat, and exhaust. A built B18C5 will make 210whp+ and 140wtq+. If anything it has similar mods maybe slightly more because of the header being designed for the engine vs the Hotshot header on the VVL in that NX.

__________________
Impreza

ihateloops

well, i think im probably gonna just end up going sr20det on this one. sadly i will be losing a good deal of the sleeper effect, but it will be much easier to find a turbo or turbo engine, install it, and i will have a faster car. if i am wrong on any of this, please tell me, so i dont go screwing myself.

98sr20ve

Take a look at JUN's web site. They list crank HP number for a totally built B18C-R at 220hp. 1800cc, I/H/E/ECU plus the JUN complete engine build with pistons, rods, cams, you name it done right.

http://www.junauto.co.jp/products/co...16-b18.html?en

Steve

Shoes59

For sure you will have more HP, better parts availability and likely less tuning issues. I could easily have gone the turbo route and been done with it by now. Do I regret my decision to go the VE route? No!!! I still prefer a NA motor and I'm confident after proper ECU tuning I'll will have a car that's best suited for it's purpose. I also like the fact that it will remain a rare combination when compared to the hundreds of DET's on the road.

98sr20ve

Choosing the VE over a DET is not about being the fastest. The VE will lose to a DET if the boost on the DET is turned up. The DET will lose to a VE on the autoX course because the power of the VE is more suited to this type of venue. A VE is more likely to survive a weekend of driving school stuff with no problems. It is simply less complicated. Either choice is a good one if done right.

Steve

ihateloops

if i chose to go ve, what would be some parts that i could swap out to help upgrade the torque? i am planning on autox, so i know that a turbo wouldnt be the best there, but i just cant fathom having a car with such low torque.

__________________
-ViNCE-
-93 se-r
ebay strut tower bar
minus ac compressor and bracket
17ish*timing, ebay strut bar
hks sport exhaust
pacesetter header
hotshot cai

CNibbana

I meant built in the way of bolt-on mods. If you totally build an SR20VE and a B18C5 I'm still confident the VE will make comparable if not more power. But this isn't a pissing contest. The point was that the VE engine provides fantastic power for a normally aspirated 4 cylinder.